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<gently snipped ::(Not currently taking medication, but I was just diagosed as ::hypothyroid a few days ago, so I’ll soon be starting medication for ::that.  I don’t have any of the hypo symptoms besides the anxiety/ ::depression/fatigue, but the numbers were pretty high.) :: ::Thanks for listening, ::Zosia Dear Zosia, More than likely you’ve had hypothyroidism for awhile now. What you describe is very similar to how I felt before I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in ‘96! My anxiety and panic were through the roof, I was experiencing lots of physical symptoms and I felt very foggy and confused……everything felt very unreal which just scared me even more. When the doctor told me I had hypothyroidism I cried with relief, I finally had an explanation for what I was experiencing. I have a feeling that much of how you are feeling is thyroid related. It’s going to take a few months before you really feel yourself again, although you will start to see some improvement in a few weeks. It’s imperative that your doctor start your thyroid replacement med at a low dose and wean you slowly to an effective dose. A good rule of thumb is start low, go back for blood work in 4 weeks and depending on your bloodwork results, you may have your dose increased or decreased. You repeat this process until you reach normal thyroid functioning. Starting with a big dose and/or weaning too quickly can be very uncomfortable, especially for someone with an anxiety disorder.  If you start to feel too stimulated, make your doctor aware so he can slow down the weaning process even more. Take your thyroid med on an empty stomach for best absorption. Most importantly……give yourself some time to get better, because you will! You are going to emerge from the fog you’ve been in! Take care and feel better soon! (((((Zosia))))) Jackie ~*~It’s the crazy ones that have all the good pills~*~   ~~ Kim Cattrall — — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Thanks everyone for your input! :: ::Jackie, I’ve wondered myself if my thyroid’s the culprit.  I’ve tested ::borderline for years (even as a child!) and have ALWAYS had the foggy/ ::fatigued/unreal feeling, but it’s never been as severe as it is now, ::which coincides with my new TSH numbers.  My doctor’s starting me on ::the lowest dose possible and then checking back frequently.  I’m still ::cautious, but it would be wonderful if I started feeling like myself ::again when the medication kicks in.  The past month has been so ::strange and awful, so it would be nice to know it’s something ::physically fixable.  Thank you for your kind thoughts. Dear Zosia, Please keep us updated as to how you’re feeling. I really think your thyroid is causing or contributing to your recent mental symptoms. My daughter has Grave’s disease. Before she was diagnosed she told me she feared she was losing her mind. Thyroid issues can cause lots of problems both mentally and physically. Feel better soon :) Jackie ~*~I’ve seen and met angels wearing the disguise of ordinary people living ordinary lives~*~    ~~Tracy Chapman — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks everyone for your input! Jackie, I’ve wondered myself if my thyroid’s the culprit.  I’ve tested borderline for years (even as a child!) and have ALWAYS had the foggy/ fatigued/unreal feeling, but it’s never been as severe as it is now, which coincides with my new TSH numbers.  My doctor’s starting me on the lowest dose possible and then checking back frequently.  I’m still cautious, but it would be wonderful if I started feeling like myself again when the medication kicks in.  The past month has been so strange and awful, so it would be nice to know it’s something physically fixable.  Thank you for your kind thoughts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <gently snipped ::(Not currently taking medication, but I was just diagosed as ::hypothyroid a few days ago, so I’ll soon be starting medication for ::that.  I don’t have any of the hypo symptoms besides the anxiety/ ::depression/fatigue, but the numbers were pretty high.) :: ::Thanks for listening, ::Zosia Dear Zosia, More than likely you’ve had hypothyroidism for awhile now. What you describe is very similar to how I felt before I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in ‘96! My anxiety and panic were through the roof, I was experiencing lots of physical symptoms and I felt very foggy and confused……everything felt very unreal which just scared me even more. When the doctor told me I had hypothyroidism I cried with relief, I finally had an explanation for what I was experiencing. I have a feeling that much of how you are feeling is thyroid related. It’s going to take a few months before you really feel yourself again, although you will start to see some improvement in a few weeks. It’s imperative that your doctor start your thyroid replacement med at a low dose and wean you slowly to an effective dose. A good rule of thumb is start low, go back for blood work in 4 weeks and depending on your bloodwork results, you may have your dose increased or decreased. You repeat this process until you reach normal thyroid functioning. Starting with a big dose and/or weaning too quickly can be very uncomfortable, especially for someone with an anxiety disorder.  If you start to feel too stimulated, make your doctor aware so he can slow down the weaning process even more. Take your thyroid med on an empty stomach for best absorption. Most importantly……give yourself some time to get better, because you will! You are going to emerge from the fog you’ve been in! Take care and feel better soon! (((((Zosia))))) Jackie ~*~It’s the crazy ones that have all the good pills~*~   ~~ Kim Cattrall — — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, all, I’ve been lurking a bit, but wanted to share an experience.  As I said in my intro post a few weeks back, I’ve had anxiety/panic of varying degrees for 15+ years.  In the past six months, depersonalization and a constant feeling of being removed and "not myself" have emerged as new anxiety symptoms. A month ago, I had the worst panic attack I’ve had in a decade, preceded and followed by terrible depersonalization.  The depersonalization has lessened and the anxiety is much better, but I still can’t shake that feeling of not being myself.  It feels like the entire world is different and I have a new awareness of some sorts – I don’t know how to explain it!  The terrible anxiety attack really pushed me to evaluate a lot of my current coping strategies and to really face a lot of serious life issues I’d been previously denying, so I don’t know if not feeling like myself is exactly that – my life is changing and I’ve never been in this position before, or if it means something is screwy in my brain! It’s a frightening to float through the day, feeling like my brain’s unsnapped and that I’ll never feel "normal" again.  My therapist believes it’s still just another anxiety symptom, manifesting in a new way.  Has anyone else felt like this?  It’s been a month, but I’m hoping, with more time, I’ll feel more in-tune with my life and less out of it. (Not currently taking medication, but I was just diagosed as hypothyroid a few days ago, so I’ll soon be starting medication for that.  I don’t have any of the hypo symptoms besides the anxiety/ depression/fatigue, but the numbers were pretty high.) Thanks for listening, Zosia Hi Zosia, I can’t speak to the hypothyroidism, as I have no knowledge about such things, but I did go back an read your introductory post.. I can only say that the phobia you have of medication… I seriously doubt that most medications are going to have as bad an effect on you as living with this depersonalization, or whatever it may be. That has to be extremely difficult for you and I can’t help but think you are suffering needlessly. I highly recommend going to a qualified psychiatrist for evaluation.. this may be depersonalization, or it could be other things. I fall into the category of folks who have *other things*… it all just sounds very familiar to me and I would run and not walk to a psychiatrist.. openly discuss this med phobia with pdoc and therapist.. and get on some medication that is going to relieve these symptoms. I am so sorry you are suffering like this.. it is something you do not *have* to do. We live in a time where there is help for our disorders..not cures, but help.. if your symptoms get worse than your phobia, you will be motivated to do it.. I’m just sorry you are suffering. The fears are irrational and not founded in truth at all.. .they are ideas in your mind that have no basis in fact.. you can challenge them, and kick those to the curb where they belong. I hope you get up the nerve to see a pdoc, and to take the medication that is prescribed. It will be better than what you are doing now, I think. I wish you well. Please feel free to continue to read and post, we are here to support and help one another. Sally

Zosia, I cannot find any other post about a fear of drugs, but I agree with Sally, that a fear that *prescription drugs* are harmful and will always more often than not cause your greater harm than relief is irrational. I take about seven rx a day and they work.  Prozac works for me.  I remember when my first anti-depressant started to wear off I told my doctor , "Just don’t put me on Prozac."  After taking the new drug for a week, I loked up the prescription name, "fluoxetine."  It is Prozac. An injection of atavan calmed me down – in seconds.  The pain level went from a 10 to a 1, where 10 is the highest, – in seconds. There was no long lasting effect of that dose. Have you ever considered that drugs can be nourishment, just as food and water are?  Meat, fish, vegetables, fruits, and what not provide us with chemicals and minerals our bodies need.  Drugs provide us with chemicals, as well.  Suppose you need more calcium.  Some foods don’t supply enough, others would.  Some drugs provide calcium and, when taken with foods that provide it, could give you enough,  Last night’s dinner provided you with chemicals and minerals.  You’re still alive. There’s only one way to find out. EH — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, all, I’ve been lurking a bit, but wanted to share an experience.  As I said in my intro post a few weeks back, I’ve had anxiety/panic of varying degrees for 15+ years.  In the past six months, depersonalization and a constant feeling of being removed and "not myself" have emerged as new anxiety symptoms. A month ago, I had the worst panic attack I’ve had in a decade, preceded and followed by terrible depersonalization.  The depersonalization has lessened and the anxiety is much better, but I still can’t shake that feeling of not being myself.  It feels like the entire world is different and I have a new awareness of some sorts – I don’t know how to explain it!  The terrible anxiety attack really pushed me to evaluate a lot of my current coping strategies and to really face a lot of serious life issues I’d been previously denying, so I don’t know if not feeling like myself is exactly that – my life is changing and I’ve never been in this position before, or if it means something is screwy in my brain! It’s a frightening to float through the day, feeling like my brain’s unsnapped and that I’ll never feel "normal" again.  My therapist believes it’s still just another anxiety symptom, manifesting in a new way.  Has anyone else felt like this?  It’s been a month, but I’m hoping, with more time, I’ll feel more in-tune with my life and less out of it. (Not currently taking medication, but I was just diagosed as hypothyroid a few days ago, so I’ll soon be starting medication for that.  I don’t have any of the hypo symptoms besides the anxiety/ depression/fatigue, but the numbers were pretty high.) Thanks for listening, Zosia — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, all, I’ve been lurking a bit, but wanted to share an experience.  As I said in my intro post a few weeks back, I’ve had anxiety/panic of varying degrees for 15+ years.  In the past six months, depersonalization and a constant feeling of being removed and "not myself" have emerged as new anxiety symptoms. A month ago, I had the worst panic attack I’ve had in a decade, preceded and followed by terrible depersonalization.  The depersonalization has lessened and the anxiety is much better, but I still can’t shake that feeling of not being myself.  It feels like the entire world is different and I have a new awareness of some sorts – I don’t know how to explain it!  The terrible anxiety attack really pushed me to evaluate a lot of my current coping strategies and to really face a lot of serious life issues I’d been previously denying, so I don’t know if not feeling like myself is exactly that – my life is changing and I’ve never been in this position before, or if it means something is screwy in my brain! It’s a frightening to float through the day, feeling like my brain’s unsnapped and that I’ll never feel "normal" again.  My therapist believes it’s still just another anxiety symptom, manifesting in a new way.  Has anyone else felt like this?  It’s been a month, but I’m hoping, with more time, I’ll feel more in-tune with my life and less out of it. (Not currently taking medication, but I was just diagosed as hypothyroid a few days ago, so I’ll soon be starting medication for that.  I don’t have any of the hypo symptoms besides the anxiety/ depression/fatigue, but the numbers were pretty high.) Thanks for listening, Zosia

Hi Zosia, I can’t speak to the hypothyroidism, as I have no knowledge about such things, but I did go back an read your introductory post.. I can only say that the phobia you have of medication… I seriously doubt that most medications are going to have as bad an effect on you as living with this depersonalization, or whatever it may be. That has to be extremely difficult for you and I can’t help but think you are suffering needlessly. I highly recommend going to a qualified psychiatrist for evaluation.. this may be depersonalization, or it could be other things. I fall into the category of folks who have *other things*… it all just sounds very familiar to me and I would run and not walk to a psychiatrist.. openly discuss this med phobia with pdoc and therapist.. and get on some medication that is going to relieve these symptoms. I am so sorry you are suffering like this.. it is something you do not *have* to do. We live in a time where there is help for our disorders..not cures, but help.. if your symptoms get worse than your phobia, you will be motivated to do it.. I’m just sorry you are suffering. The fears are irrational and not founded in truth at all.. .they are ideas in your mind that have no basis in fact.. you can challenge them, and kick those to the curb where they belong. I hope you get up the nerve to see a pdoc, and to take the medication that is prescribed. It will be better than what you are doing now, I think. I wish you well. Please feel free to continue to read and post, we are here to support and help one another. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness.

Just a few days ago I had about the worst "in public" anxiety attack in many years.  I was in WalMart and I felt dizzy and thought I may pass out.  It felt just like it used to feel as a child in church (where I did pass out quite a few times).  I got in line and leaned on a soda cooler until I had to move up.  I was so afraid I would pass out, but I was too panic stricken to just leave because I’m afraid I will draw attention to myself.  That is one shitty feeling.  When I did get outside I sat at a nearby bench for a few minutes.  Then I was lost in the parking lot for a little while looking for my car.  Even outside I thought I might pass out.  Without a doubt the worst attack in years. I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials.

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I’m so sorry this happened to you, Tony, but glad it didn’t happen again when you returned to Wal-Mart the next day.  That’s progress! {{{{{Tony}}}}} Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Just a few days ago I had about the worst "in public" anxiety attack in many years.  I was in WalMart and I felt dizzy and thought I may pass out. It felt just like it used to feel as a child in church (where I did pass out quite a few times).  I got in line and leaned on a soda cooler until I had to move up.  I was so afraid I would pass out, but I was too panic stricken to just leave because I’m afraid I will draw attention to myself. That is one shitty feeling.  When I did get outside I sat at a nearby bench for a few minutes.  Then I was lost in the parking lot for a little while looking for my car.  Even outside I thought I might pass out. Without a doubt the worst attack in years. I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Tony

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<gently snipped :: That is one shitty feeling.  When I did get ::outside I sat at a nearby bench for a few minutes.  Then I was lost in ::the parking lot for a little while looking for my car.  Even outside I ::thought I might pass out.  Without a doubt the worst attack in years. This used to happen to me too. Always seemed to be when I was on line. I’m really sorry this happened to you. ::I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Good for you! (((((Tono))))) Jackie ~*~Nothing lasts forever, not even troubles~*~  ~~Arnold H. Glasgow — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Once you got in your car did you feel better? I lose my truck all the time because i am more focus on going thru the magic door with people in there. that i lose my truck. brian s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Just a few days ago I had about the worst "in public" anxiety attack in many years.  I was in WalMart and I felt dizzy and thought I may pass out. It felt just like it used to feel as a child in church (where I did pass out quite a few times).  I got in line and leaned on a soda cooler until I had to move up.  I was so afraid I would pass out, but I was too panic stricken to just leave because I’m afraid I will draw attention to myself. That is one shitty feeling.  When I did get outside I sat at a nearby bench for a few minutes.  Then I was lost in the parking lot for a little while looking for my car.  Even outside I thought I might pass out. Without a doubt the worst attack in years. I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Tony Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Tennessee Tony schreef:    Without a doubt the worst attack in years. I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Tony

*%$# about the PA. Many kudos to you for going back the next day and doing so well. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Just a few days ago I had about the worst "in public" anxiety attack in many years.  I was in WalMart and I felt dizzy and thought I may pass out. It felt just like it used to feel as a child in church (where I did pass out quite a few times).  I got in line and leaned on a soda cooler until I had to move up.  I was so afraid I would pass out, but I was too panic stricken to just leave because I’m afraid I will draw attention to myself. That is one shitty feeling.  When I did get outside I sat at a nearby bench for a few minutes.  Then I was lost in the parking lot for a little while looking for my car.  Even outside I thought I might pass out. Without a doubt the worst attack in years. I went back to WalMart the next day with no problems. Tony

I’m sorry that you had to go through that Tony. From your description, you handled it well even though it was a very bad situation for you. You’re a better man than I am going back there the next day!!  I’m glad that it went well. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chip, when you get dizzy, do you also get nauseous? No I sure do and it usually hits me in the shower or when I’m making breakfast. Kili, is your dizzy sensation a feeling like you’re going to faint? If it’s a *hot* shower and you make breakfast over a *hot* stove, the heat could cause peripheral vasodilation and a drop in blood pressure. Then some reflexes kick in, including a vagal discharge to the stomach, which results in a feeling of nausea. I’m just speculating on how dizziness (faintness) might be associated with nausea. Chip

Chip, it’s more like a feeling where I can’t breathe, so I get dizzy and nauseous. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks for posting this article chip. you know my story with chronic dizziness.  with me, the tests showed there was some kind of asymmetrical readings which they said was some unidentifiable problem in the left inner ear. peripheral vestibular dysfunction they said. Russ, I thought you had/have *vertigo*, a sensation of movement (eg spinning)  i hope they do more research on this . There are alot of abstracts on PubMed concerning the association of panic disorder with vertigo. I don’t get vertigo, but I do get a dizzy feeling when I’m anxious, sometimes to the point that I have to lean against something to steady myself. Chip its not spinning, but an unsteady feeling.. like my balance is a bit off,  like i am moving slightly side to side. my good friend is convinced that the dizziness and my anxiety work hand in hand….that they are one and the same.  a doctor has suggested that i there probably is an inner ear problem, but it its effect is really augmented by my anxiety.  that makes sense to me.

I just feel faint.  If I stand up, I feel like I’m going to pass out and that feeling makes me sick.  I know mine’s due to anxiety. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks for posting this article chip. you know my story with chronic dizziness.  with me, the tests showed there was some kind of asymmetrical readings which they said was some unidentifiable problem in the left inner ear. peripheral vestibular dysfunction they said. Russ, I thought you had/have *vertigo*, a sensation of movement (eg spinning)  i hope they do more research on this . There are alot of abstracts on PubMed concerning the association of panic disorder with vertigo. I don’t get vertigo, but I do get a dizzy feeling when I’m anxious, sometimes to the point that I have to lean against something to steady myself. Chip — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm its not spinning, but an unsteady feeling.. like my balance is a bit off,  like i am moving slightly side to side. my good friend is convinced that the dizziness and my anxiety work hand in hand….that they are one and the same.  a doctor has suggested that i there probably is an inner ear problem, but it its effect is really augmented by my anxiety.  that makes sense to me.

Now, that is closer to how I get to feeling with an anxiety attack, a bit light headed and a bit unsteady. Like you, there is something not quite right with my ears. I have tinitus that sounds like the whine of a jet engine and sometimes it just stops completely for a few seconds and then comes back first in the left ear and then in the right…like someone playing with the left/right controls of a stereo system. Panic attacks are usually quite different for me. If I am standing I just collapse to the floor unable to get up feeling like I am having a heart attack. If it comes on slowly, I become somewhat confused and nauseous until I escape the situation that I am in or collapse to the floor.  Some types of fluorescent lighting and strong scents have this effect on me. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip schreef: fainting from panic hasn’t been reported on asap as long as I’ve been here (about 8 years), but I’ve read it can occur with a panic attack. I’ve never fainted from a PA.

Neither have I (although I sometimes fear I will) but I know people who have, the late Jon Guite and the thankfully very much alive Arthur among them. Philip Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or do they just feel like they will? if you’re panicking, there’s the feeling of impending catastrophe/doom. I’ve been driving a car and started getting anxious about passing out or losing control of the car. But I’ve never lost control of the car. I better not faint at my register, that would really suck. I refuse to do that. I’ve only fainted (passed out) once. I was an alter boy at a church service and was kneeling and passed out and fell forward. A friend came and got me and walked me to the back of the church. I had a rotten headache afterward. Whenever I was an alter boy after that, the priest kept an eye on me. He was afraid I’d pass out again. But I never did. That priest eventually left the Episcopal Church and became a Zen Buddist. I guess he wanted more peace :) Chip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks for posting this article chip. you know my story with chronic dizziness.  with me, the tests showed there was some kind of asymmetrical readings which they said was some unidentifiable problem in the left inner ear. peripheral vestibular dysfunction they said. Russ, I thought you had/have *vertigo*, a sensation of movement (eg spinning)  i hope they do more research on this . There are alot of abstracts on PubMed concerning the association of panic disorder with vertigo. I don’t get vertigo, but I do get a dizzy feeling when I’m anxious, sometimes to the point that I have to lean against something to steady myself. Chip — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

its not spinning, but an unsteady feeling.. like my balance is a bit off,  like i am moving slightly side to side. my good friend is convinced that the dizziness and my anxiety work hand in hand….that they are one and the same.  a doctor has suggested that i there probably is an inner ear problem, but it its effect is really augmented by my anxiety.  that makes sense to me. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Chip

Chip, when you get dizzy, do you also get nauseous?  I sure do and it usually hits me in the shower or when I’m making breakfast. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Interesting article.. I think dizziness has to be one of the worst things to live with.  I can relate and feel for all you poor people with the condition. The interesting thing about Meniere’s is they don’t know the cause, probably viral, but no proof.    I’d actually be interested to know on an "unofficial survey" how many of you all had Epstein-Barr (mono).  I swear I’ve never recovered, since I had it in 89.  Previous doctors told me it was anxiety causing my dizziness.  Well, after going to a neurologist and neurotiologist I failed the VEMP and Caloric test miserably, getting the diagnosis.  It’s probably exacerbated by stress, but not the cause.  Mine typically occurs when I tilt my head downwards, like Kili said, in the shower.  Kili you may want to see an ENT, who’s very specialized.  You better believe you get nauseous.  I feel for you. thank for the article chip.. Maria

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Chip Chip, when you get dizzy, do you also get nauseous?  I sure do and it usually hits me in the shower or when I’m making breakfast. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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thanks for posting this article chip. you know my story with chronic dizziness.  with me, the tests showed there was some kind of asymmetrical readings which they said was some unidentifiable problem in the left inner ear. peripheral vestibular dysfunction they said.

Russ, I thought you had/have *vertigo*, a sensation of movement (eg spinning)  i hope they do more research on this .

There are alot of abstracts on PubMed concerning the association of panic disorder with vertigo. I don’t get vertigo, but I do get a dizzy feeling when I’m anxious, sometimes to the point that I have to lean against something to steady myself. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Interesting that you would post this now – I only recently began having dizziness and feelings like I was about to faint.

a fainting feeling is associated with drop in blood pressure That is a new symptom for me, not one I have ever had. The last two times it happened to me, the dizziness was followed by an acute PA.

if you were afraid you were going to faint, your anxiety level would go up, maybe enuff to precipitate a PA I went to my GP last week, and he took 6 vials of blood.. Don’t know what all he is looking for. I go back for a follow up next week. My BP is good,

it might episodically drop enuff to give a fainting feeling and ears looked fine. I betcha this is panic. Uh.. do many people actually faint from panic?

fainting from panic hasn’t been reported on asap as long as I’ve been here (about 8 years), but I’ve read it can occur with a panic attack. I’ve never fainted from a PA. Or do they just feel like they will?

if you’re panicking, there’s the feeling of impending catastrophe/doom. I’ve been driving a car and started getting anxious about passing out or losing control of the car. But I’ve never lost control of the car. I better not faint at my register, that would really suck. I refuse to do that.

I’ve only fainted (passed out) once. I was an alter boy at a church service and was kneeling and passed out and fell forward. A friend came and got me and walked me to the back of the church. I had a rotten headache afterward. Whenever I was an alter boy after that, the priest kept an eye on me. He was afraid I’d pass out again. But I never did. That priest eventually left the Episcopal Church and became a Zen Buddist. I guess he wanted more peace :) Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip, when you get dizzy, do you also get nauseous?

No I sure do and it usually hits me in the shower or when I’m making breakfast.

Kili, is your dizzy sensation a feeling like you’re going to faint? If it’s a *hot* shower and you make breakfast over a *hot* stove, the heat could cause peripheral vasodilation and a drop in blood pressure. Then some reflexes kick in, including a vagal discharge to the stomach, which results in a feeling of nausea. I’m just speculating on how dizziness (faintness) might be associated with nausea. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The interesting thing about Meniere’s is they don’t know the cause, probably viral, but no proof.

How long have you had Meniere’s, Maria? I’d actually be interested to know on an "unofficial survey" how many of you all had Epstein-Barr (mono).

past infection (clinical and subclinical) is very prevalent in the general population  I swear I’ve never recovered, since I had it in 89.  Previous doctors told me it was anxiety causing my dizziness.  Well, after going to a neurologist and neurotiologist I failed the VEMP and Caloric test miserably, getting the diagnosis.  It’s probably exacerbated by stress, but not the cause.  Mine typically occurs when I tilt my head downwards, like Kili said, in the shower.

Any hearing loss or tinnitis? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I don’t get vertigo, but I do get a dizzy feeling when I’m anxious, ::sometimes to the point that I have to lean against something to steady ::myself. That’s me too!! I’ve seem to have lost a lot of my fear about it. It’s more of an annoyance at this point. Thanks for posting the article. Jackie ~*~Nothing lasts forever, not even troubles~*~  ~~Arnold H. Glasgow — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that you would post this now – I only recently began having dizziness and feelings like I was about to faint. a fainting feeling is associated with drop in blood pressure That is a new symptom for me, not one I have ever had. The last two times it happened to me, the dizziness was followed by an acute PA. if you were afraid you were going to faint, your anxiety level would go up, maybe enuff to precipitate a PA I went to my GP last week, and he took 6 vials of blood.. Don’t know what all he is looking for. I go back for a follow up next week. My BP is good, it might episodically drop enuff to give a fainting feeling and ears looked fine. I betcha this is panic. Uh.. do many people actually faint from panic? fainting from panic hasn’t been reported on asap as long as I’ve been here (about 8 years), but I’ve read it can occur with a panic attack. I’ve never fainted from a PA. Or do they just feel like they will? if you’re panicking, there’s the feeling of impending catastrophe/doom. I’ve been driving a car and started getting anxious about passing out or losing control of the car. But I’ve never lost control of the car. I better not faint at my register, that would really suck. I refuse to do that. I’ve only fainted (passed out) once. I was an alter boy at a church service and was kneeling and passed out and fell forward. A friend came and got me and walked me to the back of the church. I had a rotten headache afterward. Whenever I was an alter boy after that, the priest kept an eye on me. He was afraid I’d pass out again. But I never did. That priest eventually left the Episcopal Church and became a Zen Buddist. I guess he wanted more peace :) Chip

Chip, I failed to mention that at the times this has occurred, I have been very hot – the weather has warmed up, and our store is not well air conditioned – I saw your post to Kili.. maybe the heat started it. I didn’t have any nausea, just extreme dizziness followed by a feeling like I was going to faint. Can’t tell if the dizziness comes from the panic or the panic is creating the dizziness, but I did go in for evaluation. I also thought of possible heat exhaustion? who knows. And I had a sudden drop in BP once – in the hospital. A doctor decided to shock me out of the state I was in and must have given me a whopper dose of Seroquel. I had to crawl to the nurse’s station for help and spent the next day in a wheel chair.. that didn’t feel like fainting to me. That felt like life was draining out of me.. it was a different feeling than what I have been having recently. OH GEE! Thanks for the suggestion it could happen while driving, LOL!! I never even considered that one. Especially since my dad dropped DEAD at the wheel, I sort of live with that expectation anyway, and have for decades. Whew I’ll not dwell on that one too long. I wouldn’t leave the house if I did that. I fainted or did something like fainting twice in my life, but not since my early 20’s. First time was drug related, and I don’t know what caused the second one. I fell down and twitched a lot, but I was aware of the fact I was doing it while it was happening, so I never lost consciousness. I’ve not had anything like that for over 20 years. I do NOT plan to be the first person in ASAPM who faints from panic. I didn’t sign up for that one.. and I refuse to do it. I had no idea so many of us were suffering from dizziness. I guess you don’t see it until it’s you that has it, then others become more visible. I’m sorry all of you have struggled with this. I really do not like this at all. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Chip Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials.

Interesting that you would post this now – I only recently began having dizziness and feelings like I was about to faint. That is a new symptom for me, not one I have ever had. The last two times it happened to me, the dizziness was followed by an acute PA. I went to my GP last week, and he took 6 vials of blood.. Don’t know what all he is looking for. I go back for a follow up next week. My BP is good, and ears looked fine. I betcha this is panic. Uh.. do many people actually faint from panic? Or do they just feel like they will? I better not faint at my register, that would really suck. I refuse to do that. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Chip Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials. — The charter is available at:http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

thanks for posting this article chip. you know my story with chronic dizziness.  with me, the tests showed there was some kind of asymmetrical readings which they said was some unidentifiable problem in the left inner ear. peripheral vestibular dysfunction they said. whats weird about it is that it sometimes i hardly notice it, and at other times its really  distressing. i know when im really dizzy, the anxiety goes up….but im not sure of the other way around since there seems to always be a base line dizziness. anyway,  i hope they do more research on this . russ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I thought the below abstract was interesting cause I had dizziness for about 1 year before my onset of panic disorder. And when I’m anxious I also become dizzy. Also several people on this forum have mentioned problems with dizziness. Chip Chronic dizziness: the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology. Current Opinion in Neurology. 19(1):41-48, February 2006. Staab, Jeffrey P Abstract: Purpose of review: This paper reviews the often-enigmatic relationships between dizziness and psychiatric symptoms. Psychiatric causes of dizziness, neuro-otologic causes of anxiety, underrecognized co-morbid conditions, and medical illnesses that masquerade as ‘psychogenic’ dizziness are examined. Key clinical features and data from recent treatment trials are presented with potential pathophysiologic mechanisms. Recent findings: Investigations at the interface between psychiatry and neuro-otology have identified the distinguishing features of several clinical conditions that present with non-vertiginous dizziness, subjective imbalance, and psychiatric symptoms. The most common condition is *chronic subjective dizziness*; a refinement of earlier concepts of psychogenic dizziness, phobic postural vertigo, and space-motion phobia. Chronic subjective dizziness is consistent with advancing research on anxiety and somatoform disorders and offers greater insights into the relationships between neuro-otologic illnesses and anxiety. Migraine, post-concussional syndrome, and dysautonomias also cause persistent dizziness and may be misdiagnosed or malingering or psychogenic dizziness because they often present with comorbid psychiatric symptoms in the absence of identifiable vestibular deficits. Summary: Recent research has defined the key features of several medical-psychiatric conditions that cause chronic dizziness, permitting greater diagnostic precision and insight into underlying pathophysiologic processes. Treatment studies have identified potentially effective interventions, which must be evaluated in controlled clinical trials. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks ::to be different things?  Is a panic attack just a more severe ::version of an anxiety attack or are they two names for the same ::thing? In my world<g, an anxiety attack it more chronic and not as severe….. whereas a panic attack is acute and severe. A lot of people do use the two terms interchangeably. All I know is that both suck! :) Jackie ~*~My greatest fear is there is no such thing as PMS and this is really my personality~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi folks.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks to be different things?"

Snip: Hi TJ: That’s a really good question.  Since I suffer from a form of GAD = general anxiety disorder, I always feel anxious — more than what is normal (if there is such as thang as normal). I also experience anxiety attacks (where the level increases but not to the point of where my body begins to react differently).   My body/mind/brain handles this type of anxiety by keeping me "on edge" so to speak.  I cannot relax.  Meds. take the level down to where its kind of like white noise in the background but I still experience the feeling of being afraid of that something bad is going to happen. However, when the anxiety accelerates (for whatever reasons), my body gears up for fight or flight.  That means my heart begins to race, I start sweating, my legs feel weak, my breathing becomes rapid, my vision is blurred, etc.  Sooooo by body lets me know when I’m experiencing a panic attack and, as you can see, it’s very different than how it handles anxiety attacks.  At times, I’ve thot I was going to have a heart attack and yes, die. I do think tho that there is one underlying conditon that causes both types of attacks.  It may be a matter of how much of what chemical is causing your neurons to fire at what time under what circumstances. Sooooooo I guess what I’m saying is that anxiety and panic attacks are different but may stem from the same source, IMO. -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi folks.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks to be different things?  Is a panic attack just a more severe version of an anxiety attack or are they two names for the same thing? I recently heard a psychologist say that a panic attack is when you are afraid you are going to die, go mad, or something awful is going to happen.  If these features are not present, then it is an anxiety attack.  Would you agree with this definition?

I would sort of agree with those definitions, although I don’t think there are any real definitive differences in the English language. I do however mean two different things for the two words.  Pretty much the same as how you described them.  Shorten them down to "anxiety" and "panic".  I think this makes it clear to see a difference. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, TJ, Too coincidental, I was just thinking about this last night.  I feel anxiety is the part of me that worries over real situations, as well as things that I perceive "could occur".  Panic is the state I find myself in when something has gone past anxiety and leads to physical symptoms such as shakiness, sweating, shortness of breath, etc… I find both to be very uncomfortable states to be in. smiles, Elise

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks to be different things?  Is a panic attack just a more severe version of an anxiety attack or are they two names for the same thing? I recently heard a psychologist say that a panic attack is when you are afraid you are going to die, go mad, or something awful is going to happen.  If these features are not present, then it is an anxiety attack.  Would you agree with this definition? many thanks :-) I find them both most upsetting ! But I can agree : Anxiety is -for me- an all over feeling of fear Panic goes beyond that – it is so overwhelming that there is no ratio involved anymore and indeed only the basic thoughts remain Going mad Going to die and so on I as queen have servants to do my tasks when I am panic ;-) Love from Anna queen of Anna-land

To me, panic is when you feel claustrophobic and you can’t wait to get out. Anxiety is just a mind-bending, continuous run of thoughts that send you into an anticipatory or "postcipitory" (?) frenzy.  They’re 2 different entities to me. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi folks.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks to be different things?  Is a panic attack just a more severe version of an anxiety attack or are they two names for the same thing? I recently heard a psychologist say that a panic attack is when you are afraid you are going to die, go mad, or something awful is going to happen.  If these features are not present, then it is an anxiety attack.  Would you agree with this definition? many thanks :-)

I find them both most upsetting ! But I can agree : Anxiety is -for me- an all over feeling of fear Panic goes beyond that – it is so overwhelming that there is no ratio involved anymore and indeed only the basic thoughts remain Going mad Going to die and so on I as queen have servants to do my tasks when I am panic ;-) Love from Anna queen of Anna-land — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi folks.  Do you consider anxiety attacks and panic attacks to be different things?  Is a panic attack just a more severe version of an anxiety attack or are they two names for the same thing? I recently heard a psychologist say that a panic attack is when you are afraid you are going to die, go mad, or something awful is going to happen.  If these features are not present, then it is an anxiety attack.  Would you agree with this definition? many thanks :-) — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi panix!!!!!!! Welcome to the BEST support group on the net.  It’s a great place to learn about your condition, and medications and therapy that helps. I take .5 mg Xanax 3 times per day..actually that’s what it says on the bottle. some days I don’t need any, and some days I need more than 3!! I just medicate myself when I feel that anxiety building. I developed panic disorder a few years ago, then my mother died last Christmas and I developed GAD from that (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) — basically means you worry yourself silly from the minute you wake til you sleep, and some even do it in their sleep.  I don’t..but anyway.. I called the squad once.. even after I had developed Panic Disorder and knew that I had it.  Until that time, I had panic attacks, but they were only… feelings of impending doom and tachycardia.  The time I called the squad, my arms and legs went numb.  I knew I had Panic Disorder, but it had never done THAT to me.  Medics came and checked me out.. they assured me it was panic.  Don’t know how they KNEW that because they sure didn’t have an EKG machine in their little box.. but anyway.. my symptoms went away with an extra Xanax or two. Yes.. Panic can do that.  Fun, huh? Welcome to our world.  The only thing good about it is this support group and the friends you will make here.  I think if I didn’t have PD and GAD, I’d lie and say I did so I could hang out here. :) Try not to let the fact that you had that panic attack while you were driving inhibit you and keep you from driving — some of us here have had that happen and developed full blown driving phobias.  I’m only starting to conquer mine. Welcome again.  We’re a friendly, helpful bunch. Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone- I’ve been reading some of the posts here as I’ve recently had my first panic attack (and a few more to follow) and have been surfing the net to try and figure this whole thing out. A couple of weeks ago, on a busy Monday morning at work, my breathing all of a sudden became VERY labored and it got to the point where I just got up and walked out of the office, to my car, and attempted to drive to my doctor’s office (which is roughly 5 mins away.) Well, that turned out to be a bad idea as by the time I got to my car I started to lose all use of my hands, arms and legs — and my chest felt like it was being crushed and all the breath was being sucked out of me. I, literally, thought I was dying. Then, it seemed to pass. So, I go ahead and attempt to drive to my doc’s office and just as I got about 2 blocks away it came back — but it was 10x as bad. I lost all use of my limbs from my neck down and just barely got my car pulled over as my legs were almost completely numb. It was terrifying. I just assumed I was having a heart attack, and called 911 (have you ever tried dialing your cell phone with hands that are frozen stiff? Talk about a nightmare!). I then called my boyfriend to tell him that I loved him as I honestly didn’t think that I was going to make it. I thought I was going to die right then and there, in my car, on the side of the road. When the ambulance got there, it started to fade and I sloooooowly regained the use of my arms and legs again. They took my heart rate and all that, and I was at about 130 (they said I should be between 60-100.) On the way to the hospital it happened AGAIN. The paramedic just kept telling me to "breath", and the whole time I’m thinking to myself: "I’m having a HEART ATTACK! Isn’t there SOMETHING you can do besides tell me to keep breathing!" My heart rate topped out at 150. But, as it turns out, it did pass – and then came back again when we got to the hospital. That attack, however, was very mild and passed very quickly. Within an hour I felt absolutely fine. The ER docs were stumped, gave me a chest Xray & bloodwork which turned up nothing. THE ER doc then said that sometimes a blood clot in the lung can cause heart palpatations (which I have had for the last year or two and was actually on an event monitor for at the time and was due to get the results the next day from my doc.) So, after the CT Scan turned up nothing, they sent me home. The next day, my doc immediately said that I had a severe anxiety attack combined w/ hyperventilation (which is what caused the numbness in my limbs.) He prescribed my Xanax 3x daily (.25mgs). And, to my surprise, they’re working GREAT! I have to admit, when he just immediately said ‘anxiety attack’, I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head! All I could think was ‘umm….you’re a really nice man, but if you think that what I had yesterday was a panic attack, I might need to switch docs." You know what? He was right. I cant’ believe it. Panic? Anxiety? The whole thing is so strange to me. I never, not in a MILLION years, could believe that something mental could cause what I would still SWEAR was a massive heart attack! At any rate – sorry for the long post! Just thought I’d share my story as I’ver read alot of great info here already. I’m still having the attacks – but they are MUCH less severe, and are actually what I always thought a "panic attack" would be like (butterflies in the tummy, super-fast heartbeat/palpatations, disorientation, severe panic, etc…) After being on Xanax 3x daily, his nurse bumped me down to 2x per day – big mistake. So, went back a couple of days ago and am now back to 3x daily for the next 2 mos. I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep reading about it’s addictivness, etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to keep you on it for long. This worries me as it’s working so well for me. Any comments? Thanks for listening, BTW!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all ::very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is ::happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep ::reading about it’s addictivness, etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to ::keep you on it for long. This worries me as it’s working so well for ::me. :: ::Any comments? Thanks for listening, BTW!! Dear panix, Welcome to ASAPM! I`m so sorry for what you`ve been through. I`ve been dealing with panic disorder since 1981 and understand completely the terror you`ve experienced.  The good news is it seems you have nipped this in the bud early. If you`re still having a problem with palpitations, ask your doctor about a beta blocker. I take one and it has really helped calm my heart down. Last week I posted a bunch of self-help information ranging from deep breathing and muscle relaxation exercises….. to tips on what to do when having a panic attack. If you`d like, I can send them via e-mail. http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/panicdisorder/ http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/panicdisorder.html http://algy.com/anxiety/panic.php http://www.apa.org/topics/anxietyqanda.html About benzo addiction vs dependency……. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/benzosbasics/a/addiction.htm http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa082797.htm I suggest you educate yourself about addiction VS dependency so you can make informed decisions regarding the treatment of your anxiety disorder. I highly recommend the book "Panic Disorder" by William D. Kernodle, M.D.  Chapters 12, "The Misunderstood Benzodiazepines" and 13, "The Role of Benzodiazepines in the Treatment of Panic Disorder" being must reads. Even though this link is about discontinuing xanax, there is other good info on xanax and benzo`s in general. http://lexington-on-line.com/naf_xanax.html If you have any questions, don`t hesitate to ask. Take care :) Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow – thanks to all of you for the links, nice words, and advice! Steve – great link. It said in there exactly everything, for the most part, what my doc told me. I did find it interesting though that they mention that breathing through a paper bag is no longer recommended during hyperventilation, because my doctor was very insistant on the paper bag thing when he was telling me how to deal with the attacks. In fact, that’s one of the first things that he asked when I went back to see him the other day ("Are you using the paper bags like I told you to?". And the answer is yes – well, kinda. I’ve got them stashed everywhere – desk at work, in my car, my boyfriend’s car – but haven’t had to use one yet.) Thanks again – great stuff there! Yes, that’s the first time I’d seen that advice about the paper bag when I looked at the link. I’d always been told by doctors that that was the "treatment" for hyperventilation. I suppose it does make sense that you can go overboard the other way and overbreathe into the bag, thus depleting your oxygen levels. Chip – yep, everything you’re saying makes perfect sense. And yes, the panic attacks seem to just come out of nowhere — right outta the blue. I think you’re right about seeing a psychiatrist and just finding out from the get-go what’s going on. Not to mention, I have a sneaking feeling you’re also right about having to taper up my meds.  The .25 mgs at 3x a day are doing it for now, but something tells me that I still could feel a lot better, but am so blown away at the immediate improvement that I’ve seen from the Xanax (after having the palpatations – no attacks – for almost two years and having no treatment for it until just a few weeks ago), that I’m still reeling from feeling so much better everyday that I’m overlooking the fact that the meds might need to be upped. Even though I’m feeling 10x better than I was before going on them, there are still a fair to medium chunk out of my days where the palpatations (which immediately triggers the fear of having another attack) are there…..but I’m ok with it and even try to ignore it because I know I’ve got the Xanax in my purse if I really need it. It might be worth mentioning the use of a beta-blocker to control your palpitations to your doctor and see what he thinks. I used to have terrible palpitations, which didn’t help my anxiety state, until I was given Atenolol for slightly high blood pressure. This eliminated the palpitations and made me feel so much better. Having said that, I don’t know whether doctors would be willing to prescribe a beta-blocker just to treat palpitations. The other effects of the drug may not be desirable in an otherwise healthy person. As I say, it’s best to discuss it with your doctor. Jim & Diane – thanks again for the nice words. :o ) It’s so nice to know that there are others out there that I can share this whole thing with. I’m so "new" to it still, that I’m still trying to get a grip on it all. See you on the board! I would also urge you not to rest on your laurels regarding the Xanax. You are bound to feel over the moon that you’ve found relief from the major part of your anxiety, but please look to the long term. If you can learn techniques from a psychiatrist/psychologist to reduce your anxiety levels naturally, these will serve you all your life. You might even find that you have no need of the Xanax, or can live with a reduced dose. Knowing you have techniques at your disposal when you have an attack also builds confidence in yourself and reduces the fear factor that such attacks induce. Your doctor should be able to refer you to a suitably trained person. Have an anxiety-free day. :) Steve.

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I’m still having the attacks –

If they seem to occur "out of the blue" (for no apparant reason), and if you are fearful of future attacks, you may have panic disorder. I’d see a psychiatrist for a definitive diagnosis and treatment recommendations. but they are MUCH less severe

That’s because your dose is high enough to attenuate the attacks, but not entirely block them. For panic disorder you may have to slowly taper the dose upwards to about 4 to 5 mg/day of Xanax . I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep reading about it’s addictivness

The DEA puts Xanax  in Schedule IV of controlled substances, which is defined as "having low potential for abuse" Addiction implies a person’s entire life revolves around obtaining higher and higher doses of a drug to get high, and that the drug interfers with one or more areas of his/her life. People who take Xanax (and other benzodiazepines) for anxiety disorders take them to feel normal, and have less anxiety, so that they are better able to function in life. At home, work, school, as a parent, etc, etc. , etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to keep you on it for long.

That depends on the doctor. Ones with more experience and self confidence will use meds that work for patients. Others will follow the "guidelines" and recipes dictated to them by organizations or textbooks. Welcome to ASAPM! Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi panixchick and welcome. There is a good explanation and a few tips here regarding hyperventilation: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003071.htm Definitely a good idea to see a psychiatrist/psychologist to investigate causes and treatment. Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is often a very good treatment for anxiety disorders. Also, the muscle relaxation and breathing exercises detailed on this forum posted by Jackie are very useful in controlling anxiety attacks. Another thing to consider is meditation. The limbs becoming numb can be a result of hyperventilation. The body is getting too much oxygen which, I was told by a doctor, causes an increase in the production of calcium, which causes this effect. Calming the breathing will reverse this process fairly quickly. Good luck and keep us posted. All the best from Steve.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone- I’ve been reading some of the posts here as I’ve recently had my first panic attack (and a few more to follow) and have been surfing the net to try and figure this whole thing out. A couple of weeks ago, on a busy Monday morning at work, my breathing all of a sudden became VERY labored and it got to the point where I just got up and walked out of the office, to my car, and attempted to drive to my doctor’s office (which is roughly 5 mins away.) Well, that turned out to be a bad idea as by the time I got to my car I started to lose all use of my hands, arms and legs — and my chest felt like it was being crushed and all the breath was being sucked out of me. I, literally, thought I was dying. Then, it seemed to pass. So, I go ahead and attempt to drive to my doc’s office and just as I got about 2 blocks away it came back — but it was 10x as bad. I lost all use of my limbs from my neck down and just barely got my car pulled over as my legs were almost completely numb. It was terrifying. I just assumed I was having a heart attack, and called 911 (have you ever tried dialing your cell phone with hands that are frozen stiff? Talk about a nightmare!). I then called my boyfriend to tell him that I loved him as I honestly didn’t think that I was going to make it. I thought I was going to die right then and there, in my car, on the side of the road. When the ambulance got there, it started to fade and I sloooooowly regained the use of my arms and legs again. They took my heart rate and all that, and I was at about 130 (they said I should be between 60-100.) On the way to the hospital it happened AGAIN. The paramedic just kept telling me to "breath", and the whole time I’m thinking to myself: "I’m having a HEART ATTACK! Isn’t there SOMETHING you can do besides tell me to keep breathing!" My heart rate topped out at 150. But, as it turns out, it did pass – and then came back again when we got to the hospital. That attack, however, was very mild and passed very quickly. Within an hour I felt absolutely fine. The ER docs were stumped, gave me a chest Xray & bloodwork which turned up nothing. THE ER doc then said that sometimes a blood clot in the lung can cause heart palpatations (which I have had for the last year or two and was actually on an event monitor for at the time and was due to get the results the next day from my doc.) So, after the CT Scan turned up nothing, they sent me home. The next day, my doc immediately said that I had a severe anxiety attack combined w/ hyperventilation (which is what caused the numbness in my limbs.) He prescribed my Xanax 3x daily (.25mgs). And, to my surprise, they’re working GREAT! I have to admit, when he just immediately said ‘anxiety attack’, I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head! All I could think was ‘umm….you’re a really nice man, but if you think that what I had yesterday was a panic attack, I might need to switch docs." You know what? He was right. I cant’ believe it. Panic? Anxiety? The whole thing is so strange to me. I never, not in a MILLION years, could believe that something mental could cause what I would still SWEAR was a massive heart attack! At any rate – sorry for the long post! Just thought I’d share my story as I’ver read alot of great info here already. I’m still having the attacks – but they are MUCH less severe, and are actually what I always thought a "panic attack" would be like (butterflies in the tummy, super-fast heartbeat/palpatations, disorientation, severe panic, etc…) After being on Xanax 3x daily, his nurse bumped me down to 2x per day – big mistake. So, went back a couple of days ago and am now back to 3x daily for the next 2 mos. I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep reading about it’s addictivness, etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to keep you on it for long. This worries me as it’s working so well for me. Any comments? Thanks for listening, BTW!!

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wow – thanks to all of you for the links, nice words, and advice! Steve – great link. It said in there exactly everything, for the most part, what my doc told me. I did find it interesting though that they mention that breathing through a paper bag is no longer recommended during hyperventilation, because my doctor was very insistant on the paper bag thing when he was telling me how to deal with the attacks. In fact, that’s one of the first things that he asked when I went back to see him the other day ("Are you using the paper bags like I told you to?". And the answer is yes – well, kinda. I’ve got them stashed everywhere – desk at work, in my car, my boyfriend’s car – but haven’t had to use one yet.) Thanks again – great stuff there! Chip – yep, everything you’re saying makes perfect sense. And yes, the panic attacks seem to just come out of nowhere — right outta the blue. I think you’re right about seeing a psychiatrist and just finding out from the get-go what’s going on. Not to mention, I have a sneaking feeling you’re also right about having to taper up my meds.  The .25 mgs at 3x a day are doing it for now, but something tells me that I still could feel a lot better, but am so blown away at the immediate improvement that I’ve seen from the Xanax (after having the palpatations – no attacks – for almost two years and having no treatment for it until just a few weeks ago), that I’m still reeling from feeling so much better everyday that I’m overlooking the fact that the meds might need to be upped. Even though I’m feeling 10x better than I was before going on them, there are still a fair to medium chunk out of my days where the palpatations (which immediately triggers the fear of having another attack) are there…..but I’m ok with it and even try to ignore it because I know I’ve got the Xanax in my purse if I really need it. Jim & Diane – thanks again for the nice words. :o ) It’s so nice to know that there are others out there that I can share this whole thing with. I’m so "new" to it still, that I’m still trying to get a grip on it all. See you on the board! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi everyone- I’ve been reading some of the posts here as I’ve recently had my first panic attack (and a few more to follow) and have been surfing the net to try and figure this whole thing out. A couple of weeks ago, on a busy Monday morning at work, my breathing all of a sudden became VERY labored and it got to the point where I just got up and walked out of the office, to my car, and attempted to drive to my doctor’s office (which is roughly 5 mins away.) Well, that turned out to be a bad idea as by the time I got to my car I started to lose all use of my hands, arms and legs — and my chest felt like it was being crushed and all the breath was being sucked out of me. I, literally, thought I was dying. Then, it seemed to pass. So, I go ahead and attempt to drive to my doc’s office and just as I got about 2 blocks away it came back — but it was 10x as bad. I lost all use of my limbs from my neck down and just barely got my car pulled over as my legs were almost completely numb. It was terrifying. I just assumed I was having a heart attack, and called 911 (have you ever tried dialing your cell phone with hands that are frozen stiff? Talk about a nightmare!). I then called my boyfriend to tell him that I loved him as I honestly didn’t think that I was going to make it. I thought I was going to die right then and there, in my car, on the side of the road. When the ambulance got there, it started to fade and I sloooooowly regained the use of my arms and legs again. They took my heart rate and all that, and I was at about 130 (they said I should be between 60-100.) On the way to the hospital it happened AGAIN. The paramedic just kept telling me to "breath", and the whole time I’m thinking to myself: "I’m having a HEART ATTACK! Isn’t there SOMETHING you can do besides tell me to keep breathing!" My heart rate topped out at 150. But, as it turns out, it did pass – and then came back again when we got to the hospital. That attack, however, was very mild and passed very quickly. Within an hour I felt absolutely fine. The ER docs were stumped, gave me a chest Xray & bloodwork which turned up nothing. THE ER doc then said that sometimes a blood clot in the lung can cause heart palpatations (which I have had for the last year or two and was actually on an event monitor for at the time and was due to get the results the next day from my doc.) So, after the CT Scan turned up nothing, they sent me home. The next day, my doc immediately said that I had a severe anxiety attack combined w/ hyperventilation (which is what caused the numbness in my limbs.) He prescribed my Xanax 3x daily (.25mgs). And, to my surprise, they’re working GREAT! I have to admit, when he just immediately said ‘anxiety attack’, I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head! All I could think was ‘umm….you’re a really nice man, but if you think that what I had yesterday was a panic attack, I might need to switch docs." You know what? He was right. I cant’ believe it. Panic? Anxiety? The whole thing is so strange to me. I never, not in a MILLION years, could believe that something mental could cause what I would still SWEAR was a massive heart attack! At any rate – sorry for the long post! Just thought I’d share my story as I’ver read alot of great info here already. I’m still having the attacks – but they are MUCH less severe, and are actually what I always thought a "panic attack" would be like (butterflies in the tummy, super-fast heartbeat/palpatations, disorientation, severe panic, etc…) After being on Xanax 3x daily, his nurse bumped me down to 2x per day – big mistake. So, went back a couple of days ago and am now back to 3x daily for the next 2 mos. I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep reading about it’s addictivness, etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to keep you on it for long. This worries me as it’s working so well for me. Any comments? Thanks for listening, BTW!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Welcome to the group!  So sorry you had to go through all that.  I’ve been there too, but never called 911 or gone to the hospital.  Just to my doctor for tests including a pregnancy test.  Everything was negative/normal so he said it was all in my head.  :-(  That was back in 1984.  Can’t speak for Xanax, but I love my Ativan.  :-)  Hope to see you around here. Hugs, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone- I’ve been reading some of the posts here as I’ve recently had my first panic attack (and a few more to follow) and have been surfing the net to try and figure this whole thing out. A couple of weeks ago, on a busy Monday morning at work, my breathing all of a sudden became VERY labored and it got to the point where I just got up and walked out of the office, to my car, and attempted to drive to my doctor’s office (which is roughly 5 mins away.) Well, that turned out to be a bad idea as by the time I got to my car I started to lose all use of my hands, arms and legs — and my chest felt like it was being crushed and all the breath was being sucked out of me. I, literally, thought I was dying. Then, it seemed to pass. So, I go ahead and attempt to drive to my doc’s office and just as I got about 2 blocks away it came back — but it was 10x as bad. I lost all use of my limbs from my neck down and just barely got my car pulled over as my legs were almost completely numb. It was terrifying. I just assumed I was having a heart attack, and called 911 (have you ever tried dialing your cell phone with hands that are frozen stiff? Talk about a nightmare!). I then called my boyfriend to tell him that I loved him as I honestly didn’t think that I was going to make it. I thought I was going to die right then and there, in my car, on the side of the road. When the ambulance got there, it started to fade and I sloooooowly regained the use of my arms and legs again. They took my heart rate and all that, and I was at about 130 (they said I should be between 60-100.) On the way to the hospital it happened AGAIN. The paramedic just kept telling me to "breath", and the whole time I’m thinking to myself: "I’m having a HEART ATTACK! Isn’t there SOMETHING you can do besides tell me to keep breathing!" My heart rate topped out at 150. But, as it turns out, it did pass – and then came back again when we got to the hospital. That attack, however, was very mild and passed very quickly. Within an hour I felt absolutely fine. The ER docs were stumped, gave me a chest Xray & bloodwork which turned up nothing. THE ER doc then said that sometimes a blood clot in the lung can cause heart palpatations (which I have had for the last year or two and was actually on an event monitor for at the time and was due to get the results the next day from my doc.) So, after the CT Scan turned up nothing, they sent me home. The next day, my doc immediately said that I had a severe anxiety attack combined w/ hyperventilation (which is what caused the numbness in my limbs.) He prescribed my Xanax 3x daily (.25mgs). And, to my surprise, they’re working GREAT! I have to admit, when he just immediately said ‘anxiety attack’, I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head! All I could think was ‘umm….you’re a really nice man, but if you think that what I had yesterday was a panic attack, I might need to switch docs." You know what? He was right. I cant’ believe it. Panic? Anxiety? The whole thing is so strange to me. I never, not in a MILLION years, could believe that something mental could cause what I would still SWEAR was a massive heart attack! At any rate – sorry for the long post! Just thought I’d share my story as I’ver read alot of great info here already. I’m still having the attacks – but they are MUCH less severe, and are actually what I always thought a "panic attack" would be like (butterflies in the tummy, super-fast heartbeat/palpatations, disorientation, severe panic, etc…) After being on Xanax 3x daily, his nurse bumped me down to 2x per day – big mistake. So, went back a couple of days ago and am now back to 3x daily for the next 2 mos. I would love to hear any comments on the Xanax as I’m sure you are all very familiar with it. I’m still very confused as to why all of this is happening to me. But, the Xanax is working great for me, but I keep reading about it’s addictivness, etc…and that doctor’s don’t like to keep you on it for long. This worries me as it’s working so well for me. Any comments? Thanks for listening, BTW!!

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, thanks for responding. Plus, I don’t think I feel anxiety. Because?

I’m just saying that the only "anxiety" I feel is worrying about what’s wrong with me.  I don’t have "chronic and exaggerated worry and tension, even though nothing seems to provoke it" like someone with generalized anxiety disorder would feel. The other anxiety disorders described in the link you posted don’t really seem to fit me either. Some of the other symptoms described have more of a feeling of… derealization. THAT TOO is common for those with panic disorder, for example.

The symptoms for "derealization" do seem similar to what I call the "lightheaded" feeling.  But they don’t describe the other two feelings- the really bad feeling and the feeling that makes it hard to read. If it were me, I’d search out that specialist (preferably a psychiatrist) who can best evaluate you and your symptoms (and history, as described). In fact, you may wish to print out your post so that you can show it to the doctor. That REALLY can be helpful!

I will.  Thanks!

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Hi Pete:  I’m assuming that the drug you had a "horrible reaction" to was the droperidol you mentioned later on in the post?  Droperidol is really not used very often at all anymore, it’s really only intended to use for people who are experiencing nausea and vomiting during surgical and diagnostic procedures, and even then, only when "other drugs have shown insufficient efficacy or intolerable side-effects".  Because of it’s similarity to phenothiazines and Haldol it can cause dystonia, akathisia, hyperactivity and anxiety – these are listed as "common" side effects.

They asked me if I was experiencing nausea, and I said no.  Why the heck would they give me something like this?!  The only thing I can think of is that it was so that I didn’t vomit up the other medicine they gave me.  They had me drink a white liquid that I think was a mixture of Maalox and something to make my esauphagus numb.  The idea was that if these things made the chest pain stop, then that means it’s acid reflux.  It seems like Droperidol is a pretty extreme drug to use on something simple like acid reflux.  I feel like I should sue the hospital.  If it has such awful "common" side effects, why wouldn’t they tell me?  Why would they even give people this medicine at all? Because Droperidol (Inapsine) can cause QT prolongation it should never be used prior to obtaining a 12-lead EKG.  Hopefully you did get one of those done.

They did give me an EKG.  I don’t know how many leads there were, I don’t think there were as many as 12.  What’s QT prolongation? The people who make this drug do not even know what the half life is, and it’s "metabolic fate and distribution into body tissues and fluids has not been clearly established".

So do you think that after 2 months, the drug could still be affecting me?  All the doctors I’ve seen seem to think this is impossible.  Do you have a link to where you got that information?  Do you think the effects will go away, or has my brain been permanently messed up? If you have gastric reflux, read about that for sure, and take any prescribed meds as they were prescribed.  Most importantly, do not eat or drink within two hours of lying down to go to sleep for the night.  Many people benefit from taking one ounce (30 mls) of Maalox on their empty stomach immediately prior to going to bed, if they suffer from reflux symptoms, however I do not dispense medical advice, and you should ask a physician what is best for you. G

I’m taking Prilosec, and haven’t had any problems with acid reflux since I started taking it. Thanks for responding!

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Hi, this is going to be a long post

GARY??? IS THAT YOU???? but please bear with me.

yer askin’ a lot. I’ve just been through the worst two months of my life,

you won’t say that in 3 months.  it’ll get worse.  always does. and I just want to tell someone about it and get some advice.

popahcouplahbluez.  that’s always my advice. i’m consistent. I’m 26.

stop braggin’. About two months ago, I started having chest pains and decided to go to the emergency room just in case it was something serious.  It turned out to just be acid reflux, but one of the medicines they gave me in the hospital gave me a horrible adverse reaction.  I had restlessness, anxiety, and this awful feeling in my head that I can’t even describe.

(that was tha viagra.) Watching TV or evening thinking certain things would make it worse, and it was unbearable.

TV is evil and must be destroyed. when i go thru obsessive crap (which i SWEAR to god is a result of too many hallucinogenics when i was dumb) i tried to make myself throw up so i’d feel normal. that didn’t work, suffice it ta say. It lasted almost 24 hours

almost a whole DAY? and then stopped, and I thought it was all over.

it’ ain’t nevah ovah, hunny bunny… til they throw dirt on ya. But then, the next day when I ate lunch I became extremely lightheaded.  Not a dizzy feeling, but a feeling like I was almost unconscious–

did ya wake up with a condom stuck in an unlikely area? like I was about to pass out.  This lasted for one or two hours, then I felt exhausted and in a daze for the rest of the day.

G……H……B.  YOU’VE BEEN DOSED ! This happened every day.  At first I felt the lightheadedness when eating a big meal, but then it started happening just whenever.

maybe ya shouldn’t do that.  people generally figger out that if sumthin’s motivatin’ ‘em ta feel like shit they stop doin’ that behavior pretty pronto. I rarely felt normal,

and for tha bad news? except sometimes in the morning.

yer pregnant. < I didn’t even feel like the same person. (i should be so lucky) .  Also my left hand was tingly and numb all the time.

hmmmmm…. wonder is this one too easy… The doctor that I had my follow-up appointment with for the acid reflux suggested that I might have reactive hypoglycemia.

are ya left-handed?  do ya smoke? Then, one night while I was trying to sleep, I felt like I had to make myself breath– I wasn’t breathing automatically like normal.

i have forgotten alotta thangs, i can honestly say i’ve never forgotten that. (i’m bettin’ 10 ta 1 you bogarted them jernts, too, my friend…. in high school) Then I started breathing in and out uncontrolably.

yes, yes, YESSSSSSSSSS, YESSSSSSSSSS !!!!!! OH GOD, OH GODDDDDDDD, SPANK ME, DADDY !   …and he pulled her… (sorry, romance novel moment.) Both my hands were very tingly, plus my forehead and nose.

wow… an orgy for one… now THAT’s a concept. And I was shaking. So I went to the hospital again and the doctor told me it was an anxiety attack.

that’s probly what he tells his wife when it happens ta him.  (he ain’t no dummy !) He didn’t think I had hypoglycemia.  He gave me Trazadone, which helped me sleep, but put me in a worse daze than I was already in.

OMG, that shit’ll make ya sleep for like 2 nights then ya gotta up tha dose, then ya feel like pure dog shit for tha whole day, don’t take that crap…  that crap is gross and you should sell it to a dumbass that will belive it’s oxycontin. Later I saw a family doctor and told him everthing that was going on. He thought that I had hyperthyroidism and scheduled me for blood tests, took me off the Trazadone, and gave me Lunesta to help me sleep.

ya should’ah depended on yer left hand fer that’n. While I waited for the results to come back, I felt kind of relieved that I would soon know what was wrong and could finaly start feeling normal again.

did ya click yer heels twice and say "i wanna go home"?  cuz yer in fantasy land.. these docs ain’t gonna letcha feel normal?  how ya think they afford their ivory towers? But then one day I started feeling this new feeling in my head instead of the lightheadedness.  It was horrible.  It was similar to the feeling that I had with the reaction to the Droperidol.

(i’m thinkin’ that left hand is lookin’ better’n better.) It made me extremely uncomfortable in my own head,

well, take’ah load off’n sit’n mine for awhile.  set a spell.. take ya shoes off. and I desperatly wanted it to stop immediately, but it would last for every second of every day almost.

some people pay big bucks fer that feelin’. Sometimes it was more intense than other times.  It would feel like my mind could just sink into this feeling and never get out, if that makes sense.  I felt like I was going crazy.

nah, you ain’t goin crazy, ya just are. Sometimes seeing or hearing something annoying would make the feeling worse.

i feeeeeeeel ya there, (don’t be chewin’ no gum in my presence, i’ll knock ya ass out.)  i got signs on my tat shop that say "no drugs, no firearms, no gum…  and NOT PARTICULARLY IN THAT ORDER"… so i can kill people that annoy me and it’ll stand up in court… try it. Then after almost about a week it started to get better.  I had a follow-up appointment with my family doctor in which he discussed the results of my blood tests, which all came back normal and healthy.

crap.  i hate when they say that… it means "buddy, you’s up shit creek, you ain’t gettin’ no good drugs." He said that it must have been anxiety that started with the experience with the Droperidol reaction, and that, since I was starting to feel better, it would probably gradually go away.

(and they get paid da big bucks for THAT lil piece’ah wisdom)  like you couldn’t'ah figgered THAT’n out yerself. I was ecstatic.

different strokes, i’d'ah been pissed. I thought the whole experience was over with.  For about a week I felt 100% normal almost all the time, although it was still hard to sleep– even with the pills.

yer worse off than me….  even pills won’t sleep with ya. But then, the bad feeling in my head started again, big time.  It was non-stop suffering for two weeks.

why didn’t ole boy getcha a benzo?  he can’t spell "xanax" or sumthin? I could have never in my life imagined this kind of suffering.

you obviously ain’t lived with me.  but it’s never too late. I thought of suicide as a future possibility if nothing else made the feeling go away.

i highly suggest homicide as an alternative, and you can watch. But a few days ago, the feeling stopped, and now I feel a new feeling.

wowwwwwww… Also my left hand has started tingling again sometimes, and also my forehead.

i’m tellin’ ya… yer gonna go blind. and THEN how will ya tell us what’s happnin’ witcha. Anyway, thanks for reading all of my ramblings.  My questions to you guys are: 1. Do you think this is an anxiety disorder?

everything’s anxietal.  (except bladder infections)… well, in’ah round’ah bout way they are too, i’m sure. I only had one panic attack.  From what I’ve read, many of you seem to have PA’s very often.

nah, we just like it here in this lil box and we gotta hukka pipe… Plus, I don’t think I feel anxiety.  I’ve been worrying about my symptoms, but I think that would be normal.  Is worrying anxiety?

no, it means yer a chick and aliens abducted you’n gave yer ass a sex change, now yer’ah sweeeeeeeeeet transvestite….. bwaaaaaaaaAAAHAHAHAHAHHA ! I thought anxiety is more like a panicky feeling.

panic is one form of anxiety, there’s 6 or 7 more. 2. Will it go away on its own,

(and are we there yet???)  no, nothing goes away on it’s on, even me. or are my symptoms going to just keep changing?  Will I have to start taking drugs for the rest of my life?

with any luck, yes. 3. Even though it’s hard to describe the things I felt in my head, from my descriptions could any of you recognize having similar symptoms?

yer trippin’ balls, dude… or yer horny as hell… or ya need ta move in with steve (mcs#()*&$(#&%(*&(*#$*(#$&(*))))  and KNOW yer normal by comparison. in all seriousness, i’d try a benzo, tell yer doc tanya sent’cha, you’ll get’ah better seat. you left out alotta pertinent info…  are ya workin?  are ya married? you got kids?  how old are ya?  based on these ‘feeeeeeeelings.. whooah whooooooooh feeeeeeeelings’, it’s hard ta say.  ya gotta give us book, chapter’n verse, circumstances.  (are ya cute?  that’s important info).   cimcumvention ain’t yer intention, i’m sure, but for us to prescribe tha proper treatment (cuz we all are professionals here, yanno) we need ta know everything ! boxers or briefs? ~tanya (don’t leave yer chewin’ gum on muh bedpost ovahnight)

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This post from Pete reminded me…. I have known *two* individuals who were having gastro problems…. and who were prescribed Reglan… and who had a bad reaction to the Reglan.  They both becaue anxious/nervous and developped panic-like symptoms (didn’t want to stay alone, felt a sense of impending doom, etc… )  Once taken off the Reglan, things returned to normal.  Ya just never know what kind of reactions you may have to drugs…. ;)

Isn’t that interesting. I once opted to have general anesthesia for removal of wisdom teeth. Because I had gastroesophageal refiux, they gave me IV Reglan. When the anesthesiologist came to see me before wheeling me in to the OR, I started experiencing intense fear and soon afterwards, a feeling of impending doom. I had to bail out and leave – I simply couldn’t go through with the surgery. I later asked my GP about the Reglan thing. He insisted there was no way it could have caused my symptoms of panic.  I checked rxlist.com and lo, and behold, anxiety is listed as one of the potential adverse effects of Reglan. Friggin’ doctors.

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"Do you have a link to where you got that information?" I apologize for failing to answer this question earlier.  Part of the information I gave you was obtained over 20 years of working at my job, and part of it was quoted from the "big red book" – it is a 3700 page book published by the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists.  I prefer that book to all others because it has no commercial bias (unlike the PDR, which is 47.53% commercial bias).  You can obtain this book, which is about the size of the Manhattan telephone directory for $ 219.00 from www.ashp.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pete:  I’m assuming that the drug you had a "horrible reaction" to was the droperidol you mentioned later on in the post?  Droperidol is really not used very often at all anymore, it’s really only intended to use for people who are experiencing nausea and vomiting during surgical and diagnostic procedures, and even then, only when "other drugs have shown insufficient efficacy or intolerable side-effects".  Because of it’s similarity to phenothiazines and Haldol it can cause dystonia, akathisia, hyperactivity and anxiety – these are listed as "common" side effects. They asked me if I was experiencing nausea, and I said no.  Why the heck would they give me something like this?!  The only thing I can think of is that it was so that I didn’t vomit up the other medicine they gave me.  They had me drink a white liquid that I think was a mixture of Maalox and something to make my esauphagus numb.  The idea was that if these things made the chest pain stop, then that means it’s acid reflux.  It seems like Droperidol is a pretty extreme drug to use on something simple like acid reflux.  I feel like I should sue the hospital.  If it has such awful "common" side effects, why wouldn’t they tell me?  Why would they even give people this medicine at all? Because Droperidol (Inapsine) can cause QT prolongation it should never be used prior to obtaining a 12-lead EKG.  Hopefully you did get one of those done. They did give me an EKG.  I don’t know how many leads there were, I don’t think there were as many as 12.  What’s QT prolongation? The people who make this drug do not even know what the half life is, and it’s "metabolic fate and distribution into body tissues and fluids has not been clearly established". So do you think that after 2 months, the drug could still be affecting me?  All the doctors I’ve seen seem to think this is impossible.  Do you have a link to where you got that information?  Do you think the effects will go away, or has my brain been permanently messed up? If you have gastric reflux, read about that for sure, and take any prescribed meds as they were prescribed.  Most importantly, do not eat or drink within two hours of lying down to go to sleep for the night.  Many people benefit from taking one ounce (30 mls) of Maalox on their empty stomach immediately prior to going to bed, if they suffer from reflux symptoms, however I do not dispense medical advice, and you should ask a physician what is best for you. G I’m taking Prilosec, and haven’t had any problems with acid reflux since I started taking it. Thanks for responding!

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"So do you think that after 2 months, the drug could still be affecting me?" No.  I do think, however, that you are anxious, and should make evaluation and treatment of that a priority, as has been said.  I’m saying it again only for emphasis.  If they put a machine next to your bed, hooked up some wires on your chest, shoulders, and either legs or lower abdomen, and then ran a piece of paper out, about 8 1/2" x 11", you got a 12 lead EKG.  An EKG is only what it is, and does not predict everything.  Without talking to the physician, knowing you a little better, reading your entire medical file, and collaborating with a shrink and a neurologist, I can’t really say much more that would not fall into the realm of *conjecture*.  Read about neuroleptic drugs and extrapyramidal side-effects. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pete:  I’m assuming that the drug you had a "horrible reaction" to was the droperidol you mentioned later on in the post?  Droperidol is really not used very often at all anymore, it’s really only intended to use for people who are experiencing nausea and vomiting during surgical and diagnostic procedures, and even then, only when "other drugs have shown insufficient efficacy or intolerable side-effects".  Because of it’s similarity to phenothiazines and Haldol it can cause dystonia, akathisia, hyperactivity and anxiety – these are listed as "common" side effects. They asked me if I was experiencing nausea, and I said no.  Why the heck would they give me something like this?!  The only thing I can think of is that it was so that I didn’t vomit up the other medicine they gave me.  They had me drink a white liquid that I think was a mixture of Maalox and something to make my esauphagus numb.  The idea was that if these things made the chest pain stop, then that means it’s acid reflux.  It seems like Droperidol is a pretty extreme drug to use on something simple like acid reflux.  I feel like I should sue the hospital.  If it has such awful "common" side effects, why wouldn’t they tell me?  Why would they even give people this medicine at all? Because Droperidol (Inapsine) can cause QT prolongation it should never be used prior to obtaining a 12-lead EKG.  Hopefully you did get one of those done. They did give me an EKG.  I don’t know how many leads there were, I don’t think there were as many as 12.  What’s QT prolongation? The people who make this drug do not even know what the half life is, and it’s "metabolic fate and distribution into body tissues and fluids has not been clearly established". So do you think that after 2 months, the drug could still be affecting me?  All the doctors I’ve seen seem to think this is impossible.  Do you have a link to where you got that information?  Do you think the effects will go away, or has my brain been permanently messed up? If you have gastric reflux, read about that for sure, and take any prescribed meds as they were prescribed.  Most importantly, do not eat or drink within two hours of lying down to go to sleep for the night.  Many people benefit from taking one ounce (30 mls) of Maalox on their empty stomach immediately prior to going to bed, if they suffer from reflux symptoms, however I do not dispense medical advice, and you should ask a physician what is best for you. G I’m taking Prilosec, and haven’t had any problems with acid reflux since I started taking it. Thanks for responding!

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This post from Pete reminded me…. I have known *two* individuals who were having gastro problems…. and who were prescribed Reglan… and who had a bad reaction to the Reglan.  They both becaue anxious/nervous and developped panic-like symptoms (didn’t want to stay alone, felt a sense of impending doom, etc… )  Once taken off the Reglan, things returned to normal.  Ya just never know what kind of reactions you may have to drugs…. ;)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pete:  I’m assuming that the drug you had a "horrible reaction" to was the droperidol you mentioned later on in the post?  Droperidol is really not used very often at all anymore, it’s really only intended to use for people who are experiencing nausea and vomiting during surgical and diagnostic procedures, and even then, only when "other drugs have shown insufficient efficacy or intolerable side-effects".  Because of it’s similarity to phenothiazines and Haldol it can cause dystonia, akathisia, hyperactivity and anxiety – these are listed as "common" side effects. Because Droperidol (Inapsine) can cause QT prolongation it should never be used prior to obtaining a 12-lead EKG.  Hopefully you did get one of those done. The people who make this drug do not even know what the half life is, and it’s "metabolic fate and distribution into body tissues and fluids has not been clearly established".  I don’t personally want any of this medicine, and that’s all I will say.  Elliotts post covered everything else I could think to say, and the obtaining of a proper diagnosis is obviously a priority for you. If you have gastric reflux, read about that for sure, and take any prescribed meds as they were prescribed.  Most importantly, do not eat or drink within two hours of lying down to go to sleep for the night.  Many people benefit from taking one ounce (30 mls) of Maalox on their empty stomach immediately prior to going to bed, if they suffer from reflux symptoms, however I do not dispense medical advice, and you should ask a physician what is best for you.

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Hi Pete:  I’m assuming that the drug you had a "horrible reaction" to was the droperidol you mentioned later on in the post?  Droperidol is really not used very often at all anymore, it’s really only intended to use for people who are experiencing nausea and vomiting during surgical and diagnostic procedures, and even then, only when "other drugs have shown insufficient efficacy or intolerable side-effects".  Because of it’s similarity to phenothiazines and Haldol it can cause dystonia, akathisia, hyperactivity and anxiety – these are listed as "common" side effects. Because Droperidol (Inapsine) can cause QT prolongation it should never be used prior to obtaining a 12-lead EKG.  Hopefully you did get one of those done. The people who make this drug do not even know what the half life is, and it’s "metabolic fate and distribution into body tissues and fluids has not been clearly established".  I don’t personally want any of this medicine, and that’s all I will say.  Elliotts post covered everything else I could think to say, and the obtaining of a proper diagnosis is obviously a priority for you. If you have gastric reflux, read about that for sure, and take any prescribed meds as they were prescribed.  Most importantly, do not eat or drink within two hours of lying down to go to sleep for the night.  Many people benefit from taking one ounce (30 mls) of Maalox on their empty stomach immediately prior to going to bed, if they suffer from reflux symptoms, however I do not dispense medical advice, and you should ask a physician what is best for you. G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, this is going to be a long post, but please bear with me.  I’ve just been through the worst two months of my life, and I just want to tell someone about it and get some advice. I’m 26.  About two months ago, I started having chest pains and decided to go to the emergency room just in case it was something serious.  It turned out to just be acid reflux, but one of the medicines they gave me in the hospital gave me a horrible adverse reaction.  I had restlessness, anxiety, and this awful feeling in my head that I can’t even describe.  Watching TV or evening thinking certain things would make it worse, and it was unbearable. It lasted almost 24 hours and then stopped, and I thought it was all over.  But then, the next day when I ate lunch I became extremely lightheaded.  Not a dizzy feeling, but a feeling like I was almost unconscious– like I was about to pass out.  This lasted for one or two hours, then I felt exhausted and in a daze for the rest of the day. This happened every day.  At first I felt the lightheadedness when eating a big meal, but then it started happening just whenever.  I rarely felt normal, except sometimes in the morning.  I didn’t even feel like the same person.  Also, I could rarely sleep at night no matter how tired I got.  I would get so tired I could barely move and still not fall asleep.  Also my left hand was tingly and numb all the time. The doctor that I had my follow-up appointment with for the acid reflux suggested that I might have reactive hypoglycemia. Then, one night while I was trying to sleep, I felt like I had to make myself breath– I wasn’t breathing automatically like normal.  Then I started breathing in and out uncontrolably.  Both my hands were very tingly, plus my forehead and nose.  And I was shaking. So I went to the hospital again and the doctor told me it was an anxiety attack.  He didn’t think I had hypoglycemia.  He gave me Trazadone, which helped me sleep, but put me in a worse daze than I was already in. Later I saw a family doctor and told him everthing that was going on. He thought that I had hyperthyroidism and scheduled me for blood tests, took me off the Trazadone, and gave me Lunesta to help me sleep.  While I waited for the results to come back, I felt kind of relieved that I would soon know what was wrong and could finaly start feeling normal again. But then one day I started feeling this new feeling in my head instead of the lightheadedness.  It was horrible.  It was similar to the feeling that I had with the reaction to the Droperidol.  It made me extremely uncomfortable in my own head, and I desperatly wanted it to stop immediately, but it would last for every second of every day almost.  Sometimes it was more intense than other times.  It would feel like my mind could just sink into this feeling and never get out, if that makes sense.  I felt like I was going crazy.  Sometimes seeing or hearing something annoying would make the feeling worse. Then after almost about a week it started to get better.  I had a follow-up appointment with my family doctor in which he discussed the results of my blood tests, which all came back normal and healthy.  He said that it must have been anxiety that started with the experience with the Droperidol reaction, and that, since I was starting to feel better, it would probably gradually go away. I was ecstatic.  I thought the whole experience was over with.  For about a week I felt 100% normal almost all the time, although it was still hard to sleep– even with the pills. But then, the bad feeling in my head started again, big time.  It was non-stop suffering for two weeks.  I could have never in my life imagined this kind of suffering.  I thought of suicide as a future possibility if nothing else made the feeling go away. But a few days ago, the feeling stopped, and now I feel a new feeling. It’s relatively not so bad, and I don’t feel it all the time.  I feel it when I’m trying to read or concentrate on something.  Lying down and relaxing makes it go away, but it comes back if I start reading again. It makes it hard to concentrate.  Also my left hand has started tingling again sometimes, and also my forehead. Anyway, thanks for reading all of my ramblings.  My questions to you guys are: 1. Do you think this is an anxiety disorder?  I only had one panic attack.  From what I’ve read, many of you seem to have PA’s very often. Plus, I don’t think I feel anxiety.  I’ve been worrying about my symptoms, but I think that would be normal.  Is worrying anxiety?  I thought anxiety is more like a panicky feeling. 2. Will it go away on its own, or are my symptoms going to just keep changing?  Will I have to start taking drugs for the rest of my life? 3. Even though it’s hard to describe the things I felt in my head, from my descriptions could any of you recognize having similar symptoms?

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Hi, this is going to be a long post, but please bear with me.  I’ve just been through the worst two months of my life, and I just want to tell someone about it and get some advice. I’m 26.  About two months ago, I started having chest pains and decided to go to the emergency room just in case it was something serious.  It turned out to just be acid reflux, but one of the medicines they gave me in the hospital gave me a horrible adverse reaction.  I had restlessness, anxiety, and this awful feeling in my head that I can’t even describe.  Watching TV or evening thinking certain things would make it worse, and it was unbearable. It lasted almost 24 hours and then stopped, and I thought it was all over.  But then, the next day when I ate lunch I became extremely lightheaded.  Not a dizzy feeling, but a feeling like I was almost unconscious– like I was about to pass out.  This lasted for one or two hours, then I felt exhausted and in a daze for the rest of the day. This happened every day.  At first I felt the lightheadedness when eating a big meal, but then it started happening just whenever.  I rarely felt normal, except sometimes in the morning.  I didn’t even feel like the same person.  Also, I could rarely sleep at night no matter how tired I got.  I would get so tired I could barely move and still not fall asleep.  Also my left hand was tingly and numb all the time. The doctor that I had my follow-up appointment with for the acid reflux suggested that I might have reactive hypoglycemia. Then, one night while I was trying to sleep, I felt like I had to make myself breath– I wasn’t breathing automatically like normal.  Then I started breathing in and out uncontrolably.  Both my hands were very tingly, plus my forehead and nose.  And I was shaking. So I went to the hospital again and the doctor told me it was an anxiety attack.  He didn’t think I had hypoglycemia.  He gave me Trazadone, which helped me sleep, but put me in a worse daze than I was already in. Later I saw a family doctor and told him everthing that was going on. He thought that I had hyperthyroidism and scheduled me for blood tests, took me off the Trazadone, and gave me Lunesta to help me sleep.  While I waited for the results to come back, I felt kind of relieved that I would soon know what was wrong and could finaly start feeling normal again. But then one day I started feeling this new feeling in my head instead of the lightheadedness.  It was horrible.  It was similar to the feeling that I had with the reaction to the Droperidol.  It made me extremely uncomfortable in my own head, and I desperatly wanted it to stop immediately, but it would last for every second of every day almost.  Sometimes it was more intense than other times.  It would feel like my mind could just sink into this feeling and never get out, if that makes sense.  I felt like I was going crazy.  Sometimes seeing or hearing something annoying would make the feeling worse. Then after almost about a week it started to get better.  I had a follow-up appointment with my family doctor in which he discussed the results of my blood tests, which all came back normal and healthy.  He said that it must have been anxiety that started with the experience with the Droperidol reaction, and that, since I was starting to feel better, it would probably gradually go away. I was ecstatic.  I thought the whole experience was over with.  For about a week I felt 100% normal almost all the time, although it was still hard to sleep– even with the pills. But then, the bad feeling in my head started again, big time.  It was non-stop suffering for two weeks.  I could have never in my life imagined this kind of suffering.  I thought of suicide as a future possibility if nothing else made the feeling go away. But a few days ago, the feeling stopped, and now I feel a new feeling. It’s relatively not so bad, and I don’t feel it all the time.  I feel it when I’m trying to read or concentrate on something.  Lying down and relaxing makes it go away, but it comes back if I start reading again. It makes it hard to concentrate.  Also my left hand has started tingling again sometimes, and also my forehead. Anyway, thanks for reading all of my ramblings.  My questions to you guys are: 1. Do you think this is an anxiety disorder?  I only had one panic attack.  From what I’ve read, many of you seem to have PA’s very often.  Plus, I don’t think I feel anxiety.  I’ve been worrying about my symptoms, but I think that would be normal.  Is worrying anxiety?  I thought anxiety is more like a panicky feeling. 2. Will it go away on its own, or are my symptoms going to just keep changing?  Will I have to start taking drugs for the rest of my life? 3. Even though it’s hard to describe the things I felt in my head, from my descriptions could any of you recognize having similar symptoms?

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Mark, hi.  And welcome here. A lot of what I say is mostly speculation, but it is what comes to my mind, and I guess that is part of what we’re here for, to identify with others with anxiety. The first thing I’d say is, it doesn’t sound like this is something which is going to be ongoing.  I suspect it will pass, and things will get back to "life as usual." The other thing is – you may have heard or read this – there is a list of "life events" which VERY often trigger unpleasant symptoms emotionally, such as depression and anxiety.  One of the MAJOR ones is getting married (along with divorce, death of a loved one, moving, changing jobs, etc).  I think that going from being a bachelor to sharing pretty much everything about your life, including (very major) sharing a home with someone – these are intense life changess.  It is perfectly within reason to experience anxiety. I think the most important thing for you right now – again, speculation to an extent – is to keep reminding yourself that you are in what is a NICE life change, but it is also STRESSFUL.  As you become more comfortable with sharing your life in such an intimate way, remember that the symptoms of anxiety can go away. I hope this is helpful in some way.  I wish you the Very Best in your marriage! Bob — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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"Another thing to mention is that before my honeymoon, I was exercising a lot, since the wedding & the honeymoon I have not been back to the gym." Hello Mark Just a thought-exercise is a GREAT deterrent(sp?) to anxiety…and you said you have stopped doing that since the wedding & honeymoon. That may not be the cause but would almost certainly contribute. If at all possible,go back to doing at least some exercise. Just some good cardio-a walk,etc will probably be really helpful. Good luck Michele — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks to everyone for your replies. I finally got a really good night sleep on Wednesday night. Since then I have felt really good and no more anxiety! I have been back to the gym twice which has felt really good. Hopefully this is the end of the attacks and I can out put them down to jet lag and just exhaustion. Thanks again. Mark — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<Gently snipped ::Has anyone else experienced anything remotely like this? :: ::The reason I mentioned the flights was that my wife & I are hoping that it ::is jetlag related. ::Another thing to mention is that before my honeymoon, I was exercising a ::lot, since the wedding & the honeymoon I have not been back to the gym. Dear Mark, Welcome to ASAPM! What you describe sounds like panic attacks but only a doctor could diagnosis you for sure. I suggest you make an appt soon to see your doctor. A thorough checkup and some basic bloodwork is in order. You want to make sure there is nothing physical causing these symptoms. If nothing physical is found and these attacks continue, then you should seriously think about seeing a psychiatrist for diagnosis and treatment. Anxiety disorders are not something to be ignored. They have a habit of spiraling out of control very quickly. It`s also important that you mention your paranoid thoughts to your doctor. Here are some informative links on panic disorder. Read them and if you find you relate to any of it, discuss it with your doctor. http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/panicdisorder/ http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/panic.html http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/NIMHpanic.pdf The below links are information on anxiety reducing techniques, deep breathing and muscle relaxation exercises. Practicing these exercises on a daily basis could make a difference. http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2855217B http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z3751217B http://makeashorterlink.com/?K5652517B Anxiety/panic triggers of which you should avoid are caffeine, OTC meds such as decongestants & alcohol/pot. Some people find being tired or not getting enough sleep, eating too much sugar, heat & humidity can also trigger their anxiety. Try to get enough sleep everynight, eat properly and regularly, drink plenty of water and make sure to have some "me" time everyday where you relax or pursue hobbies or other fun things. Take care and good luck :) Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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On Tuesday 19th July I returned from our Honeymoon,

Does that mean you’re recently married? If so, that’s a stress and adjustment to make. My breathing became very fast and random thoughts were shooting through my head, a lot of the thoughts were of paranoia that people knew what was going on.

Does "paranoia" mean that people are out to get you? And do you harm? Other than the "paranoia" your symptoms sound like panic attacks, Mark. I’d see a psychiatrist and get a diagnosis and treatment. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Mark and welcome. :) I agree with Dawn and Chip. First stop should be your GP, who hopefully will refer you to a psychologist or Mental Health Team worker. The sort of thoughts you describe when you had the first "episode" can come from an overtired or overstressed mind, so jetlag could well have been a trigger. If you’ve never had such thoughts before then it’s quite a possibility. But it really needs to be investigated first by a trained professional so that you can get any treatment (like counselling or medication), and also so you can understand what’s happening to you. If your GP just offers you tranquiliser-type medication, then in your shoes I would press him/her to refer me to a trained psychologist. I would want to have this explained to me, because at the moment your mind is doing somersaults trying to understand it all. And that makes matters worse, which you can see if you reread your own post. You had these thoughts, some feelings of "strangeness", but then your mind goes into overdrive thinking "what if?". "What if I can’t keep working?", "What if others can see what I’m thinking?", "What if this goes on forever or gets worse?". All this negative, catastrophic thinking only serves to increase anxiety and make the symptoms worse. In the end the thoughts may go away if they are simply a result of stress or fatigue, but unless this is investigated and properly diagnosed, then your catastrophic thinking will continue because you just won’t know what the real cause is and that gives your imagination free reign, and the imagination is often a wonderful expert at convincing us that the worst is going to happen. You’ve done a very good job at explaining what happened to you, and many who have suffered with anxiety-related conditions will identify with all of it. I know I can. You will feel a lot better with a proper diagnosis and some information. The relaxation and breathing exercises will help while you are waiting to see a doctor as your symptoms will not be as intense if you can keep any rising anxiety under control. Your symptoms could be a result of a physical problem (such as thyroid), anxiety or stress or fatigue, or it could be something completely different. That’s why it needs a proper diagnosis. Whatever it is there is a treatment available and the earlier you receive it the more likely it is to succeed. Good luck and let us know how you get on. All the best. Steve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a first time poster here. I am not sure if this is the right place for this sort of thing but here goes. A bit of background info: I am a 31 year old, white male, I weigh 190lbs, 188cm (just a little overweight). I workout 4 to 5 times a week. I work in IT, my job is a little stressful but not to any great extent. Generally I am in good health and happy. Even now this is very hard to explain as a lot of the feelings I had are very hard to describe, so please accept my apologies if I ramble on a bit. On Tuesday 19th July I returned from our Honeymoon, we flew back from Las Vegas to Manchester, England, the flight was a long one, about 11 hours. Since then I have been struggling with sleep but overall, I have not been doing too bad. Then on Saturday 23rd July, around 5:00pm, I was preparing to Shower when I happened to see that my towel was laid out neatly on the shower room floor, I have no idea why, but this triggered something in my head and caused what I can only presume was a panic or anxiety attack. My breathing became very fast and random thoughts were shooting through my head, a lot of the thoughts were of paranoia that people knew what was going on. Like I said this is so hard to explain. I went and lay on my bed as I was feeling really strange, the breathing had calmed down a little but my mind would not relax, ‘what if this never goes away’, ‘how am I going to work’, ‘how will I be able to live a normal live’ were ones that kept coming back. For the next 3 or so hours I had these feelings, I could do nothing but lie on my bed, I could not keep these thoughts from my head for more than a few seconds. Whenever the thoughts came back, I would start to panic and the breathing would go heavy. After a while I managed to fall asleep for a while. When I awoke, about 8:30pm, the feelings had gone and I felt really relaxed. Other symptoms I had during the ‘attack’ were, shaking hand, excess wind (both ends!), needing to go to the toilet (both ways!), being very emotional (my wife lay down with me and I must have cried for about 10 minutes), dry throat and my penis and testicles both went really small. On Sunday I was fine. On Monday (yesterday) at about 4:15pm I was talking to a guy at work about a project I am working on. We were just finishing up when I suddenly realised that I had the same feelings as Saturday, what he said that triggered it, I do not know. The feelings were not anywhere near as instantly strong as they were on Saturday but I could tell something was not good. I went and threw some water on my face and went for a walk outside, the paranoid feelings and panic now hit. I remember distinctly thinking that people who saw me outside knew what was happening, this made me more worried. I had to go back into my office to get my keys to go home, I remember again thinking that everyone knew what was happening. I managed to get home. I lay on the bed for a few hours again. All the symptoms and feelings from Saturday were there again (the worry about this being permanent was even stronger). My wife managed to bring me down by doing some breathing and relaxation exercises with me. This helped a lot but for the rest of the evening, I felt ok but a little groggy. This morning I was talking to the same guy whom I was talking to last night, so I was ready for something to happen. I did start to feel a little strange but by a bit of forceful thinking and staying calm, I managed to keep it down. Around 4:30pm, I was talking to a different guy, we finished the conversation and I turned back to my PC when I realised that I had a strange feeling again. I was determined to keep this one under wraps by keeping cool and thinking about it, I did. I felt ok but a little weird, I went back to an email I had been working on and I realised that my brain would not focus at all. I could not think what to type and my spelling was awful, I started another task and again, it was as if I had never written a letter in my life. I just felt really unintelligent. I gave up and came home. All the time I was feeling almost fine, just a little spaced out. This evening it has carried on, I could not manage to do even the most day to day tasks (I was trying to unravel a cable out of a box to plug in and this was hard). It is now 8:15pm and I am feeling a whole lot better but not perfect. In effect I managed to fight off the attack but I am feeling very spaced out instead. So today has been a lot better than yesterday & Saturday but not perfect. Has anyone else experienced anything remotely like this? The reason I mentioned the flights was that my wife & I are hoping that it is jetlag related. Another thing to mention is that before my honeymoon, I was exercising a lot, since the wedding & the honeymoon I have not been back to the gym. Yours faithfully, Mark. Manchester England

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I am a first time poster here. I am not sure if this is the right place for this sort of thing but here goes. A bit of background info: I am a 31 year old, white male, I weigh 190lbs, 188cm (just a little overweight). I workout 4 to 5 times a week. I work in IT, my job is a little stressful but not to any great extent. Generally I am in good health and happy. Even now this is very hard to explain as a lot of the feelings I had are very hard to describe, so please accept my apologies if I ramble on a bit. On Tuesday 19th July I returned from our Honeymoon, we flew back from Las Vegas to Manchester, England, the flight was a long one, about 11 hours. Since then I have been struggling with sleep but overall, I have not been doing too bad. Then on Saturday 23rd July, around 5:00pm, I was preparing to Shower when I happened to see that my towel was laid out neatly on the shower room floor, I have no idea why, but this triggered something in my head and caused what I can only presume was a panic or anxiety attack. My breathing became very fast and random thoughts were shooting through my head, a lot of the thoughts were of paranoia that people knew what was going on. Like I said this is so hard to explain. I went and lay on my bed as I was feeling really strange, the breathing had calmed down a little but my mind would not relax, ‘what if this never goes away’, ‘how am I going to work’, ‘how will I be able to live a normal live’ were ones that kept coming back. For the next 3 or so hours I had these feelings, I could do nothing but lie on my bed, I could not keep these thoughts from my head for more than a few seconds. Whenever the thoughts came back, I would start to panic and the breathing would go heavy. After a while I managed to fall asleep for a while. When I awoke, about 8:30pm, the feelings had gone and I felt really relaxed. Other symptoms I had during the ‘attack’ were, shaking hand, excess wind (both ends!), needing to go to the toilet (both ways!), being very emotional (my wife lay down with me and I must have cried for about 10 minutes), dry throat and my penis and testicles both went really small. On Sunday I was fine. On Monday (yesterday) at about 4:15pm I was talking to a guy at work about a project I am working on. We were just finishing up when I suddenly realised that I had the same feelings as Saturday, what he said that triggered it, I do not know. The feelings were not anywhere near as instantly strong as they were on Saturday but I could tell something was not good. I went and threw some water on my face and went for a walk outside, the paranoid feelings and panic now hit. I remember distinctly thinking that people who saw me outside knew what was happening, this made me more worried. I had to go back into my office to get my keys to go home, I remember again thinking that everyone knew what was happening. I managed to get home. I lay on the bed for a few hours again. All the symptoms and feelings from Saturday were there again (the worry about this being permanent was even stronger). My wife managed to bring me down by doing some breathing and relaxation exercises with me. This helped a lot but for the rest of the evening, I felt ok but a little groggy. This morning I was talking to the same guy whom I was talking to last night, so I was ready for something to happen. I did start to feel a little strange but by a bit of forceful thinking and staying calm, I managed to keep it down. Around 4:30pm, I was talking to a different guy, we finished the conversation and I turned back to my PC when I realised that I had a strange feeling again. I was determined to keep this one under wraps by keeping cool and thinking about it, I did. I felt ok but a little weird, I went back to an email I had been working on and I realised that my brain would not focus at all. I could not think what to type and my spelling was awful, I started another task and again, it was as if I had never written a letter in my life. I just felt really unintelligent. I gave up and came home. All the time I was feeling almost fine, just a little spaced out. This evening it has carried on, I could not manage to do even the most day to day tasks (I was trying to unravel a cable out of a box to plug in and this was hard). It is now 8:15pm and I am feeling a whole lot better but not perfect. In effect I managed to fight off the attack but I am feeling very spaced out instead. So today has been a lot better than yesterday & Saturday but not perfect. Has anyone else experienced anything remotely like this? The reason I mentioned the flights was that my wife & I are hoping that it is jetlag related. Another thing to mention is that before my honeymoon, I was exercising a lot, since the wedding & the honeymoon I have not been back to the gym. Yours faithfully, Mark. Manchester England

Dear Mark, Many of your symptoms sound like panic, but I would suggest that you go to see a doctor and get tests run to rule out any other problems (thyroid issues, etc). I am very sorry that you are going through this.  My own panic disorder started out small and got bigger with time, so being slammed into it like that is not something I’m familiar with but I imagine it would be quite unpleasant. Perhaps some of the more knowledgeable folks on here can give you some better insight into your symptoms.  For myself, I hope that you figure out what’s going on and feel better very soon. Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi all, I am a first time poster here. I am not sure if this is the right place for this sort of thing but here goes. A bit of background info: I am a 31 year old, white male, I weigh 190lbs, 188cm (just a little overweight). I workout 4 to 5 times a week. I work in IT, my job is a little stressful but not to any great extent. Generally I am in good health and happy. Even now this is very hard to explain as a lot of the feelings I had are very hard to describe, so please accept my apologies if I ramble on a bit. On Tuesday 19th July I returned from our Honeymoon, we flew back from Las Vegas to Manchester, England, the flight was a long one, about 11 hours. Since then I have been struggling with sleep but overall, I have not been doing too bad. Then on Saturday 23rd July, around 5:00pm, I was preparing to Shower when I happened to see that my towel was laid out neatly on the shower room floor, I have no idea why, but this triggered something in my head and caused what I can only presume was a panic or anxiety attack. My breathing became very fast and random thoughts were shooting through my head, a lot of the thoughts were of paranoia that people knew what was going on. Like I said this is so hard to explain. I went and lay on my bed as I was feeling really strange, the breathing had calmed down a little but my mind would not relax, ‘what if this never goes away’, ‘how am I going to work’, ‘how will I be able to live a normal live’ were ones that kept coming back. For the next 3 or so hours I had these feelings, I could do nothing but lie on my bed, I could not keep these thoughts from my head for more than a few seconds. Whenever the thoughts came back, I would start to panic and the breathing would go heavy. After a while I managed to fall asleep for a while. When I awoke, about 8:30pm, the feelings had gone and I felt really relaxed. Other symptoms I had during the ‘attack’ were, shaking hand, excess wind (both ends!), needing to go to the toilet (both ways!), being very emotional (my wife lay down with me and I must have cried for about 10 minutes), dry throat and my penis and testicles both went really small. On Sunday I was fine. On Monday (yesterday) at about 4:15pm I was talking to a guy at work about a project I am working on. We were just finishing up when I suddenly realised that I had the same feelings as Saturday, what he said that triggered it, I do not know. The feelings were not anywhere near as instantly strong as they were on Saturday but I could tell something was not good. I went and threw some water on my face and went for a walk outside, the paranoid feelings and panic now hit. I remember distinctly thinking that people who saw me outside knew what was happening, this made me more worried. I had to go back into my office to get my keys to go home, I remember again thinking that everyone knew what was happening. I managed to get home. I lay on the bed for a few hours again. All the symptoms and feelings from Saturday were there again (the worry about this being permanent was even stronger). My wife managed to bring me down by doing some breathing and relaxation exercises with me. This helped a lot but for the rest of the evening, I felt ok but a little groggy. This morning I was talking to the same guy whom I was talking to last night, so I was ready for something to happen. I did start to feel a little strange but by a bit of forceful thinking and staying calm, I managed to keep it down. Around 4:30pm, I was talking to a different guy, we finished the conversation and I turned back to my PC when I realised that I had a strange feeling again. I was determined to keep this one under wraps by keeping cool and thinking about it, I did. I felt ok but a little weird, I went back to an email I had been working on and I realised that my brain would not focus at all. I could not think what to type and my spelling was awful, I started another task and again, it was as if I had never written a letter in my life. I just felt really unintelligent. I gave up and came home. All the time I was feeling almost fine, just a little spaced out. This evening it has carried on, I could not manage to do even the most day to day tasks (I was trying to unravel a cable out of a box to plug in and this was hard). It is now 8:15pm and I am feeling a whole lot better but not perfect. In effect I managed to fight off the attack but I am feeling very spaced out instead. So today has been a lot better than yesterday & Saturday but not perfect. Has anyone else experienced anything remotely like this? The reason I mentioned the flights was that my wife & I are hoping that it is jetlag related. Another thing to mention is that before my honeymoon, I was exercising a lot, since the wedding & the honeymoon I have not been back to the gym. Yours faithfully, Mark. Manchester England — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Jackie – I believe (could be wrong!) that my sensations come from my mind. ::I guess that is why I said something like, "anxiety causes them."  I think ::it is a sort of vicious cycle of AnticipationSensationsAnxietyIncreased ::SensationsIncreased Anxiety.  I guess what that means is that I do feel ::that the sensations are not necessarily (in my case) caused by medication ::(may be wrong) or other things, they are caused initially by, literally, a ::"fear of fear." I agree with you completely about it coming from your mind<g! I just threw in meds, hormones and etc, because no matter what causes this sensation, it can make me anxious. When I first started dealing with this sensation years ago, it seem to come out of no where. After two years of dealing with it on a daily basis I decided to seek help from my psychologist. She told me it was definitely anxiety causing the sensations. I would then react to the sensations which created more anxiety and more sensations. It was so bad I stopped driving for a few weeks and could barely leave my home. ::Jackie, I feel a little nervous right now, but it seems to have diminished a ::bit.  I feel like I am saying and describing (accurately or satisfactorily) ::the things that go on with me, in this thread, more than I usually am able ::to. : ) That is good Bob! I knew exactly what you were saying. Sorry if I made things confusing by mentioning meds and hormones :) Jackie ~*~If it has tires or testicles, you’re going to have trouble with it~*~

Jackie, hi.  I am not sure but did I say something which caused you any offense?  I have a very difficult time judging – especially through emails – what someone’s feelings are.  If so, I apologize.   I’m not sure we are disagreeing on anything. Best, Bob — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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below… [snip] Sort of, yeah… it’s kind of hard to explain. The sense of doom doesn’t feel like it’s impending so much as it’s *there*, wrong. Does that make sense? Yes, it makes sense, but it is not what I feel.  I feel very much "on the edge" – almost literally on the edge of a high ledge or cliff – not falling yet, but pretty sure it’s about to happen. That’s how it feels to me.  I’m not sure if we have different feelings or different words to describe them, though.

Like something bad is going to happen but without there being a cause you can identify or even that the "something bad" is any specific thing? This stuff is just too hard to put into words isn’t it? [snip] Like that pre-sleep stage where you can alternate between feeling big compared to the universe and small compared to the universe? Oh, or am I alone in getting that?<g I don’t know that, but maybe I just don’t remember, and you do?

It’s like derealisation on a cosmic scale… I’ve experienced it on and off for as long as I can remember. For a long time now, I usually don’t even remember about the first half hour of the day.  Kind of weird.  I have to take my meds a certain way otherwise I won’t know if I’ve taken them or not.

Now there’s another way of looking at things: I’m really hard to wake and according to my SO I can talk coherently while being asleep. Maybe at that point I’m not *really* asleep but I just don’t remember it afterwards? Things to ponder… Vashti — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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 And I`m still hoping someone will clarify the difference between a panick attack and an anxiety attack (if there is one), Bob, the American Psychiatric Association has defined "panic attack". You can find the definition and their criteria on their website. I’m unsure what people mean when they use the term "anxiety attack". It probably varies with the person using that term. Chip

I don`t use it, but you hear it often enough. I thought it might have something to do with symptoms and their presence or abscence. Thanks, Chip. Bob — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Thanks for your replies, i’m gracious.  I really don’t know if I have a ::disorder!  I wish I knew a few years back and I do really want to live ::my life to it’s fullest.  I was on such a high dosage of everything I ::was taking, and Jackie, yes I did cold turkey.  I  Sat in a chair today ::infront of my t.v. and couldn’t even understand what whas happening. ::Crikey, It took me 4 hours to walk to the office(accross a porch at my ::parents house) because I Didn’t know what was going on.  I do want to ::call a Dr, I really Really do, but i’m freaked right out.  I just feel ::like a baby or something, like evrything is new and quite scary. Dear Scott, Please call your doctor and tell him everything you are feeling and that you quit your benzo cold turkey. You could be experiencing withdrawals and/or rebound anxiety/panic. You should discuss with your doctor about reinstating the benzo and then slowly tapering off of it being you don`t want to be on this class of meds. If you do have an anxiety disorder, you will need to pursue some kind of treatment, whether that be antidepressants and/or therapy.  Please make that call!! Let us know how you are doing. We care! Jackie ~*~This is ridiculous. What am I doing here? I’m in the wrong story~*~        ~~ Stephen Sondheim, Into the Woods — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <Gently snipped :: Research a little, ::hit a walk in clinic, etc.  I’m now 29, am almost completely blunted ::emotionally, and I don’t care.  About anything, really.  For the past ::few years every so often a little voice would say’man, lifes gonna pass ::you by, you gotta kick this’.  This time I’m trying, but if I could ::describe the feelings i’ve been getting for the last seven days..should ::I go to the hospiltal? ::I’ve been considering that, or making a Dr’s appt, but I’m afraid it ::will all lead back to benzo’s.  I don’t know if this is a vent, I don’t ::know if this is a question.  I Want 5 years back. ::I KNOW I should have researched this drug earlier

Thanks for your replies, i’m gracious.  I really don’t know if I have a disorder!  I wish I knew a few years back and I do really want to live my life to it’s fullest.  I was on such a high dosage of everything I was taking, and Jackie, yes I did cold turkey.  I  Sat in a chair today infront of my t.v. and couldn’t even understand what whas happening. Crikey, It took me 4 hours to walk to the office(accross a porch at my parents house) because I Didn’t know what was going on.  I do want to call a Dr, I really Really do, but i’m freaked right out.  I just feel like a baby or something, like evrything is new and quite scary. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Scott, Welcome to ASAPM! Did you stop your benzo cold-turkey? If not, how did you taper off? What were you taking and how much? Call a doctor and explain how you are feeling. It`s important that you tell him your benzo history…..especially the part of going to numerous doctors in one day to get benzos. You can put your foot down and demand that this class of meds not be prescribed for you. Anxiety disorders can be treated other ways, such  as antidepressants and/or cognitive behavioral therapy. You don`t have to suffer this way. Good luck! Jackie ~*~It’s been a lifetime struggle for me to stop spending my lifetime<BR struggling~*~  ~~ Dalton Roberts — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m Scott and I’m on my eighth day of no benzos whatsoever. When I was 24(I,m now 29), I had an anxiety attack (transient), and finding this quite frightening I made a Drs appt.  When I told my Dr  about the event, he basically told me not to worry, grabbed his script pad, and gave it to me.  I left, went home, bottle says: take one tablet three times daily, drug name 1mg.  THIS is the point I should have researched this drug and its family. I took a tablet and within an hour I felt slightly tipsy, yet in control.  This script had 6 repeats. When they were close to being done, another appt. Another script, same, execept 4 tabs per day.  It wasn’t only till just under a year passed, I thought, what is this that I’ve been taking?  and searched lorazepam.  I was immediadely frightened at all  the hits basically saying trying to get off this dose of this drug after this long is, to say the least, agonizing.  I tried. 4 days later I took 4.  Soon enough, I was double, triple, I dont’t know how  many doctors I would go to in a day for diazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam,etc,etc. Living off other people. It is easy where I live to do this.  Research a little, hit a walk in clinic, etc.  I’m now 29, am almost completely blunted emotionally, and I don’t care. About anything, really.  For the past few years every so often a little voice would say’man, lifes gonna pass you by, you gotta kick this’. This time I’m trying, but if I could describe the feelings i’ve been getting for the last seven days..should I go to the hospiltal? I’ve been considering that, or making a Dr’s appt, but I’m afraid it will all lead back to benzo’s.  I don’t know if this is a vent, I don’t know if this is a question.  I Want 5 years back. I KNOW I should have researched this drug earlier

1)Yes you are correct, you should have researched the med earlier.  I can’t imagine going that long without knowing the simplest basics of a med. I’m taking. 2)You say you researched the med on the internet… surely you must have come across information on how to go off a med like this!  You do know that it has to be tapered down very slowly don’t you?  I find the reaction you had was not normal at all for a slow taper?  Actually it’s the first time I ever heard of someone having such a problem slowly weaning off a benzo.  I’m curious, if you read the info. that comes with a prescription?  You know, the kind of info that says never stop taking the med without your Drs. approval.  (so the Dr. can guide you) 3)You want your 5 years back?  I know what you mean.  I’d like to get back the 40 years I went with untreated panic… now I take two benzos and feel much better. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello, I’m Scott and I’m on my eighth day of no benzos whatsoever. When I was 24(I,m now 29), I had an anxiety attack (transient), and finding this quite frightening I made a Drs appt.  When I told my Dr about the event, he basically told me not to worry, grabbed his script pad, and gave it to me.  I left, went home, bottle says: take one tablet three times daily, drug name 1mg.  THIS is the point I should have researched this drug and its family. I took a tablet and within an hour I felt slightly tipsy, yet in control.  This script had 6 repeats.  When they were close to being done, another appt. Another script, same, execept 4 tabs per day.  It wasn’t only till just under a year passed, I thought, what is this that I’ve been taking?  and searched lorazepam.  I was immediadely frightened at all the hits basically saying trying to get off this dose of this drug after this long is, to say the least, agonizing.  I tried. 4 days later I took 4.  Soon enough, I was double, triple, I dont’t know how many doctors I would go to in a day for diazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam,etc,etc. Living off other people. It is easy where I live to do this.  Research a little, hit a walk in clinic, etc.  I’m now 29, am almost completely blunted emotionally, and I don’t care.  About anything, really.  For the past few years every so often a little voice would say’man, lifes gonna pass you by, you gotta kick this’.  This time I’m trying, but if I could describe the feelings i’ve been getting for the last seven days..should I go to the hospiltal? I’ve been considering that, or making a Dr’s appt, but I’m afraid it will all lead back to benzo’s.  I don’t know if this is a vent, I don’t know if this is a question.  I Want 5 years back. I KNOW I should have researched this drug earlier — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Scott and welcome :) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but beating yourself up over what you should or shouldn’t have done ain’t gonna help you. Best to deal with the situation as it is. I get the impression that you’re trying to come off the med cold turkey, i.e. stopping taking it in one go. First of all I’d suggest talking to a doctor about this for 2 reasons. Firstly, it may be better to wean yourself off it gradually, reducing the dosage every few days or week, to minimize any withdrawal effects. Secondly, if you did stop taking the drug in one go the doctor may be able to give you another med to counteract the withdrawal symptoms. I’m sure that if you explain to the doctor what you want to do and your desire not to take benzos, then he will do his best to help you. Other therapies are also a possibility such as Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, and also relaxation techniques like breathing exercises, muscle relaxation exercises and meditation. We can give more information on these if you require it. But I definitely think your first step should be to see a doctor who understands anxiety conditions. Best of luck. Steve. Hello, I’m Scott and I’m on my eighth day of no benzos whatsoever. When I was 24(I,m now 29), I had an anxiety attack (transient), and finding this quite frightening I made a Drs appt.  When I told my Dr about the event, he basically told me not to worry, grabbed his script pad, and gave it to me.  I left, went home, bottle says: take one tablet three times daily, drug name 1mg.  THIS is the point I should have researched this drug and its family. I took a tablet and within an hour I felt slightly tipsy, yet in control.  This script had 6 repeats. When they were close to being done, another appt. Another script, same, execept 4 tabs per day.  It wasn’t only till just under a year passed, I thought, what is this that I’ve been taking?  and searched lorazepam.  I was immediadely frightened at all the hits basically saying trying to get off this dose of this drug after this long is, to say the least, agonizing.  I tried. 4 days later I took 4.  Soon enough, I was double, triple, I dont’t know how many doctors I would go to in a day for diazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam,etc,etc. Living off other people. It is easy where I live to do this.  Research a little, hit a walk in clinic, etc.  I’m now 29, am almost completely blunted emotionally, and I don’t care.  About anything, really.  For the past few years every so often a little voice would say’man, lifes gonna pass you by, you gotta kick this’.  This time I’m trying, but if I could describe the feelings i’ve been getting for the last seven days..should I go to the hospiltal? I’ve been considering that, or making a Dr’s appt, but I’m afraid it will all lead back to benzo’s.  I don’t know if this is a vent, I don’t know if this is a question.  I Want 5 years back. I KNOW I should have researched this drug earlier

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yeah, that stinks I agree. sorry to hear about your experience. I’ve had a good experience with xanax/alprazolam though.  I’m grateful. Started taking .25mg 3x a day back in ‘96 and did it for many years.  Now I take .25 either once or twice a day…..sometimes I forget altogether! -z-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m Scott and I’m on my eighth day of no benzos whatsoever. When I was 24(I,m now 29), I had an anxiety attack (transient), and finding this quite frightening I made a Drs appt.  When I told my Dr about the event, he basically told me not to worry, grabbed his script pad, and gave it to me.  I left, went home, bottle says: take one tablet three times daily, drug name 1mg.  THIS is the point I should have researched this drug and its family. I took a tablet and within an hour I felt slightly tipsy, yet in control.  This script had 6 repeats.  When they were close to being done, another appt. Another script, same, execept 4 tabs per day.  It wasn’t only till just under a year passed, I thought, what is this that I’ve been taking?  and searched lorazepam.  I was immediadely frightened at all the hits basically saying trying to get off this dose of this drug after this long is, to say the least, agonizing.  I tried. 4 days later I took 4.  Soon enough, I was double, triple, I dont’t know how many doctors I would go to in a day for diazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam,etc,etc. Living off other people. It is easy where I live to do this.  Research a little, hit a walk in clinic, etc.  I’m now 29, am almost completely blunted emotionally, and I don’t care.  About anything, really.  For the past few years every so often a little voice would say’man, lifes gonna pass you by, you gotta kick this’.  This time I’m trying, but if I could describe the feelings i’ve been getting for the last seven days..should I go to the hospiltal? I’ve been considering that, or making a Dr’s appt, but I’m afraid it will all lead back to benzo’s.  I don’t know if this is a vent, I don’t know if this is a question.  I Want 5 years back. I KNOW I should have researched this drug earlier — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey there,  I apologize if this is does not flow too well… my thoughts are rather disorganized… I’m writing because I fear I am entering into schizophrenia… I’ve done some reading up on the subject and have concluded that  I am in the prodromal phase… I have not been diagnosed but am currently on 5 mg (is this a mild dose?) of Zyprexa…  A little background: I’m a 20 yr old female… I had my first anxiety attack at 15.. several months later I entered into a state of depersonalization that has never ceased since…  I was put on Celexa and Klonipin PRN and was functioning well… My freshmen year of college I begain to smoke pot moderately.. 3-4 times a week… in the Spring semester I began having anxiety attacks where I my limbs wouild go numb… then I started having out of body experiences… my thoughts would come at me.. very disorganized.. like.. truck goat anthropology zoom … then all of a sudden it stopped… That Fall (well actually it was this fall) I was put on Zyprexa and the depersonalization was calmed a bit… but I had to go on Geodon because I gained weight..  I had an adverse reaction to is… Akastesia (sp) and extreme anxiety… for 2 months after (while on abilify) I was restless and wanted to jump out of my skin… I went off Abilify for 3 weeks and was doing wonderfully.. I felt more like myself… more creative… but then I had a horrible out of body experience… I was scratching my head and could feel nothing… chaotic thoughts… so I was put on Risperdal which calmed those but it almost produced a cognitive dullness… this brings it up to this January… I’m very dim… I’m having extreme difficulty in school… I’ve been switched back to Zyprexa but I still feel so stupid… Could this be because the Risperdal isnt out of my system or is this the decomposition of my mind?Also… a lot of the times I *think* I hear things… not voices… like I think my cell phone is ringing…  I also get this feeling like I’m getting a little nutty… it’s like a combination of dizziness and anxiety.. like I feel I’m losing my grip..  I’d like to know if anyone has ever felt like this? Or does schizophrenia come on like a trainwreck? I’m so afraid my life will be unfulfilling and I often think about suicide. Thanks for reading, much appreciation -Katie

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Pot helped precipitate schizophrenia for me.  Had me believing that coincidences had some meaning… I don’t think the doctors would prescribe all those antipsychotics you have been on unless they felt you were schizophrenic or bipolar with psychotic episodes.  What you are describing sounds like schizophrenia to me.  What do the doctors say? I’m having a lot of trouble concentrating on school on Geodon, seems to cloud my mind and make me depressed.  I’m also having suicidal thoughts. Hope you can find something to make you feel better.

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news:CVj6e.899$4a.80740@news1.epix.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey there, > I apologize if this is does not flow too well… my thoughts are rather > disorganized… I’m writing because I fear I am entering into > schizophrenia… I’ve done some reading up on the subject and have > concluded > that  I am in the prodromal phase… I have not been diagnosed but am > currently on 5 mg (is this a mild dose?) of Zyprexa…  A little > background: > I’m a 20 yr old female… I had my first anxiety attack at 15.. several > months later I entered into a state of depersonalization that has never > ceased since…  I was put on Celexa and Klonipin PRN and was functioning > well… My freshmen year of college I begain to smoke pot moderately.. 3-4 > times a week… in the Spring semester I began having anxiety attacks > where > I my limbs wouild go numb… then I started having out of body > experiences… my thoughts would come at me.. very disorganized.. like.. > truck goat anthropology zoom … then all of a sudden it stopped… That > Fall (well actually it was this fall) I was put on Zyprexa and the > depersonalization was calmed a bit… but I had to go on Geodon because I > gained weight..  I had an adverse reaction to is… Akastesia (sp) and > extreme anxiety… for 2 months after (while on abilify) I was restless > and > wanted to jump out of my skin… I went off Abilify for 3 weeks and was > doing wonderfully.. I felt more like myself… more creative… but then I > had a horrible out of body experience… I was scratching my head and > could > feel nothing… chaotic thoughts… so I was put on Risperdal which calmed > those but it almost produced a cognitive dullness… this brings it up to > this January… > I’m very dim… I’m having extreme difficulty in school… I’ve been > switched back to Zyprexa but I still feel so stupid… Could this be > because > the Risperdal isnt out of my system or is this the decomposition of my > mind?Also… a lot of the times I *think* I hear things… not voices… > like I think my cell phone is ringing…  I also get this feeling like I’m > getting a little nutty… it’s like a combination of dizziness and > anxiety.. > like I feel I’m losing my grip..  I’d like to know if anyone has ever felt > like this? Or does schizophrenia come on like a trainwreck? I’m so afraid > my > life will be unfulfilling and I often think about suicide. > Thanks for reading, much appreciation > -Katie

Hi Katie, You write very clearly and you present yourself well.  I wish I had been aware of what schizophrenia is at age 20.  Mine came on like a train wreck at age 33, but there were signs and symptoms as early as about 18yrs when I look back.  I have schizophrenia and it is chronic, it returns as soon as I go off medication, but I am one of the lucky ones; medications seems to work well for me.  I take the meds because they clear up my thinking.  Many people get along without any sort of medication.  Schizophrenia, it seems, can take on many forms,  as individual experiences vary.  It is not what you call it, but whether it is causing a problem in your life and it seems like you may be having problems.  You are taking the right steps to gain control of your life.  You are going to school and trying different meds.  Keep your hopes up if you can.  Study hard.  When I finally got the right meds, my clarity of thought returned.  Get with your doctor and find the right med combo, or try no meds at all, you are still young, but be careful and take care of yourself.  Thank you for sharing your story. Jim

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news:CVj6e.899$4a.80740@news1.epix.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey there, > I apologize if this is does not flow too well… my thoughts are rather > disorganized… I’m writing because I fear I am entering into > schizophrenia… I’ve done some reading up on the subject and have > concluded > that  I am in the prodromal phase… I have not been diagnosed but am > currently on 5 mg (is this a mild dose?) of Zyprexa…  A little > background: > I’m a 20 yr old female… I had my first anxiety attack at 15.. several > months later I entered into a state of depersonalization that has never > ceased since…  I was put on Celexa and Klonipin PRN and was functioning > well… My freshmen year of college I begain to smoke pot moderately.. 3-4 > times a week… in the Spring semester I began having anxiety attacks > where > I my limbs wouild go numb… then I started having out of body > experiences… my thoughts would come at me.. very disorganized.. like.. > truck goat anthropology zoom … then all of a sudden it stopped… That > Fall (well actually it was this fall) I was put on Zyprexa and the > depersonalization was calmed a bit… but I had to go on Geodon because I > gained weight..  I had an adverse reaction to is… Akastesia (sp) and > extreme anxiety… for 2 months after (while on abilify) I was restless > and > wanted to jump out of my skin… I went off Abilify for 3 weeks and was > doing wonderfully.. I felt more like myself… more creative… but then I > had a horrible out of body experience… I was scratching my head and > could > feel nothing… chaotic thoughts… so I was put on Risperdal which calmed > those but it almost produced a cognitive dullness… this brings it up to > this January… > I’m very dim… I’m having extreme difficulty in school… I’ve been > switched back to Zyprexa but I still feel so stupid… Could this be > because > the Risperdal isnt out of my system or is this the decomposition of my > mind?Also… a lot of the times I *think* I hear things… not voices… > like I think my cell phone is ringing…  I also get this feeling like I’m > getting a little nutty… it’s like a combination of dizziness and > anxiety.. > like I feel I’m losing my grip..  I’d like to know if anyone has ever felt > like this? Or does schizophrenia come on like a trainwreck? I’m so afraid > my > life will be unfulfilling and I often think about suicide. > Thanks for reading, much appreciation > -Katie

Hi, there.  You’re not the only Katie on the newsgroup.  There’s a French lady by that name who contributes very valuably here.  Right now she’s having a down period and kinda staying away. Most of the stuff you describe sounds pretty minor.  I get minor auditory hallucinations from time to time too, such as hearing a faint phone ring or even hearing someone faintly say my name, but because those don’t impair my everyday functioning, I don’t worry much about them.  Scratching your head and not having a sensation can also be caused by cholesterol imbalance or high blood sugar.  It impacts the nerves somehow. But the fact that you’re suicidal makes the whole thing serious.  My cure for suicidality is this.  As long as you’re alive, you never know how your life may improve.  Life throws us curves, and some of them are positive and pleasant.  Once you’re dead, however, the chance of your life improving is zilch.  It’s over then.  So I would advise you not to take the ultimate step into nothingness until you’ve exhausted absolutely all other alternatives you can think of, plus all the others you *can’t* think of right now. You have to be careful what you say to doctors, but if the medication is impairing your cognition, that’s something they should know.  Phrase it like this: "I’m experiencing side-effects of…"  Doctors are pretty stupid, but they do understand the term "side-effects" and can respond to it properly. I am on Risperdal too, and I found Vitamin E capsules helped me with some side-effects.  I also make sure I eat at least one tuna sandwich each day, and that keeps my mind calm when it might otherwise be stormy.  But that will be of limited use to you if your mind is too calm right now. Best of success to you. -:(TT):-

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>I also get this feeling like I’m > getting a little nutty… it’s like a combination of >dizziness and anxiety.. > like I feel I’m losing my grip..  I’d like to know if anyone has ever felt > like this? Or does schizophrenia come on like a trainwreck?

schizophrenia can have a slow or fast onset.  mine was slow and started with a hazy feeling in the brain and paranoia.  i am a chronic paranoid sz, but i’ve only been diagnosed by one doctor. if you want to know more about my early days, you can email me at gravity AT m-net.arbornet.org. m.

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Of course "Damo’s Panacea", which has questionable results for him at present, is essential fatty acids in whatever form. Flax seed oil, cod liver oil, fish oil. And Gingko Biloba. Especially the Fish oil. Sometimes the effects can be quite noteworthy. Because of my experiance with it I tend to eat more fish these days. The American diet is noteworthy for its deficit in Essential fatty acids. Something like eighty percent of your brain is made of essential fatty acids. There could be a tie in with that. I strongly suspect that. Most pills I have taken produced marked drops in my spontaneity and creativity. This is very bad for a musician. To date I have preferred to struggle with it then to use psyche drugs….mostly…. Except for some welbuin which can be helpful. And a back up drug that begins with"T" which I try to never pick up and read the label. I also recommend against suicide. Its not helpful. Just the other day, I’m not doing well now see, I picked up the guitar after not doing so for a couple days and I was astounded at how it was….I mean, I need that, to trade that off for …. Not being able to find that spontaneity would be a whole new problem I don’t want. Docs tend to over prescribe in my experiance. Try just half the dose the doc says. I know others who do that with effective results when they are not responding well to the prescribed dose. I’ve figgered, in speaking with abilify people that once yo "fill up with it and begin "side effects" that dropping back to half a dose produces excellent results. Damo

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but what is an ENT? Ear, Nose and Throat doctor.

ya didn’t tell HER ta "google it" !!!!!   (he like you best, ANON !!!) <<<<pout ~tanya

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but what is an ENT? Ear, Nose and Throat doctor. ya didn’t tell HER ta "google it" !!!!! (he like you best, ANON !!!) <<<<pout ~tanya

There’s certain advantages to being the newbie.  He doesn’t know me well enough to tell me to google it yet.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but what is an ENT? Ear, Nose and Throat doctor. ya didn’t tell HER ta "google it" !!!!! (he like you best, ANON !!!) <<<<pout ~tanya There’s certain advantages to being the newbie.  He doesn’t know me well enough to tell me to google it yet.

LOL! Good one hehe… But don’t worry about it, you won’t be the newbie for long ;-) Rich :)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed that many people with depression/anxiety also have problems with allergies.  I have had a lifetime problem with respiratory inflamation. This has caused problems with my sinus passages getting inflamed.  The symptoms are rhinitus and coughing up much mucous from the lungs.  Mental confusion when sinus passages become clogged.  Drowsiness from nasal passages becoming clogged.  The drowsiness has caused problems in concentration while trying to study.  Drowsiness during a class, business meeting, and while driving a car. The drowsiness has caused me to total a car, get fired from a job when I was nodding off, and get punished while nodding off in class.  I have also had a history of respiratory infections when the nasal and bronchial inflamations turned into infections.  Does this sound familiar to anyone on this site? The familiar part is that in the past there have been quite the discussions about vestibular damage, and how that can mimic panic and/or create it. The ears are connected to the nose which is connected to the throat which you hope is connected to your head ;) I’d suggest going the Ear, Nose & Throat route in a BIG way, and perhaps treating that area ‘just might’ clear up the anxiety/depression at the same time. It’s worth looking into, anyhow.

My brother had what he thought was an anxiety attack.  During an exam, his doctor found a huge ball of wax in his ear and surmised it was the cause of his dizziness and other symptoms, including the anxiety.  I suppose it’s possible, but I am still waiting to see if he has any more ‘anxiety attacks’ in the future.

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I doubt that the number will be any higher than if you posed the same type of question to a group of spelunkers, tho ;)

they’re just batty. ~tanya

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Anon E. Mouse bewilders me with thissun: During an exam, his doctor found a huge ball of wax in his ear (huge by new hampshire standards or texas ones?)

I can see your standards are set way higher than mine. and surmised it was the cause of his dizziness and other symptoms, including the anxiety (yeah, a big hurkin’ lump’ah foreign matter lodged in yer haid tends ta affect people funny)… GO FIGGER !

Apparently so. I suppose it’s possible, but I am still waiting to see if he has any more ‘anxiety attacks’ in the future. SOLUTION:  cram a big ole piece of chewed up "Double Bubble" in dat boy’s ear and see’f it happens agin.. (but then agin, i like scientific resolutions)

Would it be scientific for me to wait until he is drunk and passed out? Otherwise, I doubt he’d sit still long enough for me to do that job. OH YEAH !   just in case yer wrong, make sure all’ah flavor ain’t gone, ya wouldn’t want it ta go ta waste.

Tell you what, sometime after he’s had a few I’ll send him your way for a ‘tatoo’.  While he’s under the needle you can slip him your gum to make sure the job’s done right.  That way when the experiment is over the gum will be the flavor you like.  You can retrieve it and there will be no waste. maybe he’s waiting for you to see an ENT ;) (or an ENCLE)

I’m afraid to ask. i hear tell they slop parafin on their crap when they can it… reach yer fanger in, roll it around like a ….. well…. umm…. PIECE’AH PARAFIN, yeah…..  and smack THAT baby in there.

See?  You already have the technique down! if he don’t get panicky, at least ya got homemade jelly.

Got any toast to go with that?

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I have noticed that many people with depression/anxiety also have problems with allergies

i noticed alotta thugs up in muh shop had allergies.  i thought it was maybe the topography, til the police dogs went psycho when they came buss’n up in here. …. then i noticed MY anxiety worsened, as did my bail-bondsman. (i began prayin’ for allergies while on a 2 inch mattress… NO GO ! ) ::poppinahcouplahhandfulsahbluezthinkinboutit:: ~tanya (dark blue is just NOT my color, nor is "property of" my favorite slogan… especially when it ain’t on a t-shirt of my choice) xoxoxxoxoxox

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Anon E. Mouse bewilders me with thissun: During an exam, his doctor found a huge ball of wax in his ear

(huge by new hampshire standards or texas ones?) and surmised it was the cause of his dizziness and other symptoms, including the anxiety

(yeah, a big hurkin’ lump’ah foreign matter lodged in yer haid tends ta affect people funny)… GO FIGGER ! I suppose it’s possible, but I am still waiting to see if he has any more ‘anxiety attacks’ in the future.

SOLUTION:  cram a big ole piece of chewed up "Double Bubble" in dat boy’s ear and see’f it happens agin.. (but then agin, i like scientific resolutions)   OH YEAH !   just in case yer wrong, make sure all’ah flavor ain’t gone, ya wouldn’t want it ta go ta waste. maybe he’s waiting for you to see an ENT ;)

(or an ENCLE)   i hear tell they slop parafin on their crap when they can it… reach yer fanger in, roll it around like a ….. well…. umm…. PIECE’AH PARAFIN, yeah…..  and smack THAT baby in there.   if he don’t get panicky, at least ya got homemade jelly. ~tanya   (always lookin’ at da bright side)

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My brother had what he thought was an anxiety attack.  During an exam, his doctor found a huge ball of wax in his ear and surmised it was the cause of his dizziness and other symptoms, including the anxiety.  I suppose it’s possible, but I am still waiting to see if he has any more ‘anxiety attacks’ in the future.

Just as you’re waiting to see if he has any more anxiety attacks, maybe he’s waiting for you to see an ENT ;) — Elliott http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lint My brother had what he thought was an anxiety attack.  During an exam, his doctor found a huge ball of wax in his ear and surmised it was the cause of his dizziness and other symptoms, including the anxiety.  I suppose it’s possible, but I am still waiting to see if he has any more ‘anxiety attacks’ in the future. Just as you’re waiting to see if he has any more anxiety attacks, maybe he’s waiting for you to see an ENT ;)

I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but what is an ENT?

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but what is an ENT?

Ear, Nose and Throat doctor. — Elliott http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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lint but what is an ENT? Ear, Nose and Throat doctor.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed that many people with depression/anxiety also have problems with allergies.  I have had a lifetime problem with respiratory inflamation. This has caused problems with my sinus passages getting inflamed.  The symptoms are rhinitus and coughing up much mucous from the lungs.  Mental confusion when sinus passages become clogged.  Drowsiness from nasal passages becoming clogged.  The drowsiness has caused problems in concentration while trying to study.  Drowsiness during a class, business meeting, and while driving a car. The drowsiness has caused me to total a car, get fired from a job when I was nodding off, and get punished while nodding off in class.  I have also had a history of respiratory infections when the nasal and bronchial inflamations turned into infections.  Does this sound familiar to anyone on this site? Fred in denver

Yeah, I’ve had similar problems with drowsiness while driving and studying. I tried Comtrex or something like that for a while for sinuses and that made it worse.  Stopped taking those and my dr. put me on Lexapro for depression and anxiety.  It did seem to help me focus better, but I was still tired a lot.  Probably something to do with the high blood pressure cause by stress, so now I am taking a beta blocker as well, which seems to be working well at keeping the blood pressure down.  Now I have good days and bad in regards to feeling fatigued.  But it is a different feeling than before.  I do wonder how much of my sleepiness is sinus-related.  Since I’ve had a cold lately it is expected that I would feel lousy.  It seems it’s always got to be something that makes me feel not quite right.  I had a chronic cough for a couple years and it’s finally let up, thankfully.  Never used to have allergies, but it seems I do now and they are a PITA.

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I have noticed that many people with depression/anxiety also have problems with allergies.  I have had a lifetime problem with respiratory inflamation.  This has caused problems with my sinus passages getting inflamed.  The symptoms are rhinitus and coughing up much mucous from the lungs.  Mental confusion when sinus passages become clogged.  Drowsiness from nasal passages becoming clogged.  The drowsiness has caused problems in concentration while trying to study.  Drowsiness during a class, business meeting, and while driving a car. The drowsiness has caused me to total a car, get fired from a job when I was nodding off, and get punished while nodding off in class.  I have also had a history of respiratory infections when the nasal and bronchial inflamations turned into infections.  Does this sound familiar to anyone on this site?

The familiar part is that in the past there have been quite the discussions about vestibular damage, and how that can mimic panic and/or create it. The ears are connected to the nose which is connected to the throat which you hope is connected to your head ;) I’d suggest going the Ear, Nose & Throat route in a BIG way, and perhaps treating that area ‘just might’ clear up the anxiety/depression at the same time. It’s worth looking into, anyhow. Oh, plenty of people with depression/anxiety will agree that they have similar problems. I doubt that the number will be any higher than if you posed the same type of question to a group of spelunkers, tho ;) — Elliott http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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I have noticed that many people with depression/anxiety also have problems with allergies.  I have had a lifetime problem with respiratory inflamation.  This has caused problems with my sinus passages getting inflamed.  The symptoms are rhinitus and coughing up much mucous from the lungs.  Mental confusion when sinus passages become clogged.  Drowsiness from nasal passages becoming clogged.  The drowsiness has caused problems in concentration while trying to study.  Drowsiness during a class, business meeting, and while driving a car. The drowsiness has caused me to total a car, get fired from a job when I was nodding off, and get punished while nodding off in class.  I have also had a history of respiratory infections when the nasal and bronchial inflamations turned into infections.  Does this sound familiar to anyone on this site? Fred in denver

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