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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joan Livingston wrote in message … >gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message >news:882575F6F143A309.46831FFADFB3A98F.6F140C62DC693BF3@lp.airnews.net… >> Joan Livingston wrote in message … >> >Why is there this current campaign among MDs in the US to get women off >of >> >unnecessary thryoid prescritions? Why are US MDs running scared about the >> >connection between excessive thyroid medications and osteoporosis? >> >J >> Please back your comments up with the sites, so that we may read for >> ourselves. Would that be possible? Have you had a bad experience with >> doctors? with medicine? What exactly causes you to be so critical? What >US >> doctors are running scared? > Nope, none of the above. I know plenty of good doctors. I am just passing >on the Good Word from research and CEU courses I take. I the Citation Queen, >BTW. No fact is good without a cite. > You may also want to read the FDA warning sheet for thyroid medication to >get a better idea of the scope of the problems with this drug and its >"over-use". > One thing I hope you will come to appreciate about the information that >comes to and from this group, is that it carries a high degree of >reliability and goes through the crucible of active and often intelligent >discussion. There are some pretty bright posters here who you can count on >to give every claim a good run through. Do you want this site to provide >anything less? Do you want ignorance to be "supported" Who benefits from >supporting ignorance? Your daughters? >J >J >Meaning, that I’m not intelligent? I have asked several times to be shown

exactly where to go to find the information you keep posting. Why would I take your word or anyone else’s word as fact, shouldn’t I read for myself? I seem to keep asking the same things, and getting the same run around. Why can’t you see that is what I’m trying to do? I don’t know any of you here, and any statement can be given as fact by anyone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Joan Livingston wrote in message … >Do you want "sites" or cites? >J >I’m sure you know what I mean. Sorry, I’m not a computer expert. This is

getting to be very petty.

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Most drugs come with warning sheets. Have you jumped on the thyroid because it is another hormone? Are you saying that anyone can just walk into their doctor’s office and get a thyroid drug?

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Joan Livingston wrote in message … >Why is there this current campaign among MDs in the US to get women off of >unnecessary thryoid prescritions? Why are US MDs running scared about the >connection between excessive thyroid medications and osteoporosis? >J

Please back your comments up with the sites, so that we may read for ourselves. Would that be possible? Have you had a bad experience with doctors? with medicine? What exactly causes you to be so critical? What US doctors are running scared?

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Already cited. This warning is in the archives from a CEU course I took a year or so ago from a UCLA Prof in Clincal Medicine. J gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message

news:882575F6F143A309.46831FFADFB3A98F.6F140C62DC693BF3@lp.airnews.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joan Livingston wrote in message … > >Why is there this current campaign among MDs in the US to get women off of > >unnecessary thryoid prescritions? Why are US MDs running scared about the > >connection between excessive thyroid medications and osteoporosis? > >J > Please back your comments up with the sites, so that we may read for > ourselves. Would that be possible? Have you had a bad experience with > doctors? with medicine? What exactly causes you to be so critical? What US > doctors are running scared?

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Do you want "sites" or cites? J gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message

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gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message

news:882575F6F143A309.46831FFADFB3A98F.6F140C62DC693BF3@lp.airnews.net… > Joan Livingston wrote in message … > >Why is there this current campaign among MDs in the US to get women off of > >unnecessary thryoid prescritions? Why are US MDs running scared about the > >connection between excessive thyroid medications and osteoporosis? > >J > Please back your comments up with the sites, so that we may read for > ourselves. Would that be possible? Have you had a bad experience with > doctors? with medicine? What exactly causes you to be so critical? What US > doctors are running scared?

Nope, none of the above. I know plenty of good doctors. I am just passing on the Good Word from research and CEU courses I take. I the Citation Queen, BTW. No fact is good without a cite. You may also want to read the FDA warning sheet for thyroid medication to get a better idea of the scope of the problems with this drug and its "over-use". One thing I hope you will come to appreciate about the information that comes to and from this group, is that it carries a high degree of reliability and goes through the crucible of active and often intelligent discussion. There are some pretty bright posters here who you can count on to give every claim a good run through. Do you want this site to provide anything less? Do you want ignorance to be "supported" Who benefits from supporting ignorance? Your daughters? J J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Please put a date on your "was". When "was" this the case? J MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000312005545.01759.00002015@ng-bg1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> mary p>>there is such a thing here called the "thyroid belt > joan> This is not a "disease" as much as it -was- a dietary deficiency area. > But > with the introduction of iodized salt and varied diets, this is no longer > the case. > This has nothing to do with Iodized salt and varied diets…it was strictly > calculated on the concentrated areas of high thyroid disease in populations in > this area. > Ask an endocrinologist.

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>Why is Synthroid the Number two selling drug in the US? What is it about US >women’s thyroid glands in particular that goes so bad, yet US women are no >where near as healthy as women in countries that do not sell such large >quantities of thryoid medication. >What is going on with US women’s thyroid glands?

WE, IN THE UNITED STATES, are fortunate enough to have the medical knowledge to diagnose and treat thyroid disease and thyroid eye disease. ALSO, in other countries other women or men may die earlier or go blind from thyroid disease. If you would like to hear some horror stories from the UK, Germany, etc… just go to alt. support thyroid you can find a few here (some even from the USA also!) Many women right here in our country …go to an emergency room with a heart rate of 150 and up…tremors…anxiety or panic symptoms and are given valium and told to see their drs. They go to the dr and then are put on prozac, buspar, etc, etc. and told they have anxiety disorder or are experiencing panic attacks. Then after about six months and loss of about 40 lbs…they then will test your thryoid. You dont think that they over use synthroid do you?

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Facts will serve this discussion better than anecdote. Dr Sam from the UK was surprised to see that Synthroid was the number two selling drug in the US. Most countries in Western Europe score way higher on health markers than the US. Why are so many women in the US using thyroid medications? And why are we statistically so much less healthy according to WHO stats than any other country in Western Europe? And why have we been getting worse over the last decade? Why is the thyroid gland so mal-functional? J MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000312004803.01759.00002014@ng-bg1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Why is Synthroid the Number two selling drug in the US? What is it about US > >women’s thyroid glands in particular that goes so bad, yet US women are no > >where near as healthy as women in countries that do not sell such large > >quantities of thryoid medication. > >What is going on with US women’s thyroid glands? > WE, IN THE UNITED STATES, are fortunate enough to have the medical knowledge to > diagnose and treat thyroid disease and thyroid eye disease. ALSO, > in other countries other women or men may die earlier or go blind from thyroid > disease. If you would like to hear some horror stories from the UK, Germany, > etc… > just go to alt. support thyroid you can find a few here (some even from the USA > also!) > Many women right here in our country …go to an emergency room with a heart > rate of 150 and up…tremors…anxiety or panic symptoms and are given valium > and told to see their drs. They go to the dr and then are put on prozac, > buspar, etc, etc. and told they have anxiety disorder or are experiencing panic > attacks. Then after about six months and loss of about 40 lbs…they then will > test your thryoid. > You dont think that they over use synthroid do you?

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So would I! gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message

news:364BBF49FC35CC4B.6F75499A47B1FB9C.C6A4B973447ADFDC@lp.airnews.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joan Livingston wrote in message … > >Why is Synthroid the Number two selling drug in the US? What is it about US > >women’s thyroid glands in particular that goes so bad, yet US women are no > >where near as healthy as women in countries that do not sell such large > >quantities of thryoid medication. > >What is going on with US women’s thyroid glands? > Good grief! Do you just recycle your comments? Having a thyroid problem > doesn’t have anything to do with being overweight. Having a thyroid problem > isn’t just a US problem. Maybe, the fact that thyroid disease, in the past, > has been one of the diseases that was passed off as menopause. The thyroid > problem is worldwide! Could you please pass on the information concerning > top selling drugs in other countries? I have been trying to locate this > information….and have come up empty. Would love to take a look at the > other countries lists! Thanks….gs

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:41:12 -0000, "Sam Saidi" <nos…@saidi.org> wrote: >I hope your husband is not dead yet. He probably soon will be if you treat >his Afib with thyroxine. A-fib is a known complication of hyper-thyroidism.

Thank you, Sam!! I was about to post that treating atrial fib with thyroxin was quite similar to throwing gasoline on a fire to put the fire out. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It is also difficult to be in good shape and a tad overweight, I suppose it >depends on your definitions >Sam Saidi >MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20000311011514.21848.00000166@ng-co1.aol.com… >> My husband who at 37 was hospitalized with atrial fib…a tad >overweight..but >> in good shape and all of a sudden started snoring. I had them check his >> thyroid levels and his tsh(thyroid stimulating hormone level) was 5. Now >his >> internists said normal…5 is the outer limits of normal meaning poss. >> hypo…but never the less he said normal..no treatment. When i talked to >my >> endo about it…he told me he would prescribe a very low dose of synthroid >for >> him because he believes that to be too low and causing the problems with >the >> atrial fib.

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Why is Syntroid the Number 2 selling drug and what is wrong with so many US women’s thyroid glands? And why don’t you care? J gs <he…@rest.net> wrote in message

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Such is the status of the Worlds Best Health Care System ..giving drugs that are contraindicated for the conditions they are intended to treat. Prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death in the US and medical mistakes are number 5. J Sam Saidi <nos…@saidi.org> wrote in message

news:8adpf1$cfb$1@plutonium.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope your husband is not dead yet. He probably soon will be if you treat > his Afib with thyroxine. A-fib is a known complication of hyper-thyroidism. > It is also difficult to be in good shape and a tad overweight, I suppose it > depends on your definitions > Sam Saidi > MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > news:20000311011514.21848.00000166@ng-co1.aol.com… > > My husband who at 37 was hospitalized with atrial fib…a tad > overweight..but > > in good shape and all of a sudden started snoring. I had them check his > > thyroid levels and his tsh(thyroid stimulating hormone level) was 5. Now > his > > internists said normal…5 is the outer limits of normal meaning poss. > > hypo…but never the less he said normal..no treatment. When i talked to > my > > endo about it…he told me he would prescribe a very low dose of synthroid > for > > him because he believes that to be too low and causing the problems with > the > > atrial fib.

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Joan Livingston wrote in message

<4fuy4.292$yA3.66…@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>… >Why is Syntroid the Number 2 selling drug and what is wrong with so many US >women’s thyroid glands? >And why don’t you care? >J

So, do you have the information about the drugs in other countries? How dare you say I don’t care! I have pointed out several sites to you…not only in the US. I have also given you the Rxlist saying it was #3 for several years, and then went to #1. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Could you please show me the sites, showing the other countries drugs? gs

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Actually…..believe it or not in men.(check the books on this one)..atrial fib can be a complication of hypothyroidism as well…Many men present initially with heart problems..and it isnt until later that they have thyroid problems diagnosed. Heart problems are a common initial presenting sign in men..often before weight gain/loss, anxiety/depression, and other common symptoms of both hyper and hypothyroidism. Actually…you see with a tsh of 5 it is not indidcated that he has graves disease…nor do any of his physical symptoms. As far as my definition of being a tad overweight…he is 6′4 245 and not a couch potato, eh? He is really just a big guy..i guess! One thing i have learned …first hand and also from many other people that i have talked to with thyroid problems… there are NO SET ==SET OF SYMPTOMS for hyper and hypo…and that is what makes it so difficult to treat and diagnose! People have gained weight, felt tired, depressed, constipation,etc. being hyper…and have had scant periods, weight loss, anxiety, loose bowel, palpataions…being hypo!!! THERE ARE NO RULES..it stinks really..cause then the drs even get confused and treatment becomes a battle between dr and patient.

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Actually…..it is not just womens thyroids…although supposedly we may be almost 20 times more likely to get the disease than men…but …you know there is such a thing here called the "thyroid belt". It is all of the states along the great lakes…and have found reported cases of great number within that region. Also…that dr from tunlane said in Louisiana…he was seeing many many many families who had extremely strong long lines to autoimmune diseases. He said that Louisiana had a very high number of graves and thyroid disease rates. He was doing testing on children of families who had at least one parent with an autoimmune disease. He did them on mine when he came to pittburgh…he could tell out of my four boys which ones were genetically like me and which ones were like my husband. Funny thing..the two dark haired who look like me are genetically like my husband…the two blondes who look like my husband are genetically like me. He was able to tell me that none of the boys had the antibody to develop graves…although my one son has a small area of vertilligo..that is another autoimmune disease. Do you know that there was a time when they thought…and it still is up in the air…that it could be sexually transmitted…… do you really think barb and george bush got it that way…hard to picture, eh? hee hee!! my bad!!!

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MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message said that Louisiana had

a very high look do you really think barb and george bush got it that way…hard to picture, eh? > hee hee!! my bad!!!

I can’t think of better proof for the thyroid disease personality …….and their dog allegedly had it too. Dysfunctional family systems can also be "inherited." J

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Why is Synthroid the Number two selling drug in the US? What is it about US women’s thyroid glands in particular that goes so bad, yet US women are no where near as healthy as women in countries that do not sell such large quantities of thryoid medication. What is going on with US women’s thyroid glands? J MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000311011514.21848.00000166@ng-co1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ok…i would like to say a little of what i know about graves disease > and/autoimmune diseases. > A person is born with a genetic tendency to develop an autoimmune disease. A > dr from tulane who was studying graves who i met with and talked to at a > conference we had here in pittsburgh, believed that he isolated an antibody > that caused graves in a person that was already genetically suseptable to the > disease..but alas he died of leukemia before his study was complete : ( > Now…if your mother or father..etc. had diabetes, ms, lupus, rheumatoid > arthritis, etc. …you could develop graves (and i was told that was the least > harmful of the autoimmunes that i could get and i should be happy!) or any > other autoimmune diseases. You do not have to have a family history of > thyroid……i had none…BUT…if you do have a strong family history of > it..it would be wise to be tested often. > When they say a life stress can bring on the disease…it can mean a natural > childbirth..changes in hormones (such as peri or meno)…a death or life > circumstance of tragedy, etc. even puberty in young girls can trigger the > disease to come out. It doesnt have to mean you have six kids…two jobs…no > money, etc…. Most of the hundreds of people that i have talked to > had no major life stressors other than childbirth, meno, or menses. > I sort of liken it to TB and someone who tests pos. but doesnt have it and > they could even have a granuloma in their lungs but it lays dormant until maybe > someone gets sick with a serious disease and then it comes out! > I would like to add that i firmly believe in my heart that the thyroid and the > way it can malfunction…either hypo or hyper…can cause a lot more problems > than these drs realize and I truly believe that eventually they will find that > it is behind such things as sleep apnea, heart problems both in men and women, > a contributer to hardening of the artieries > (because when you are hyper…your chloresteral level drops really low!) and is > even associated directly to menopause, > depression, anxiety dissorders, learning disabilities, etc. I believe > totally that when i had my thyroid gland irradiated…it threw me within a > month into perimeno ( and as i think i have stated before…an eighteen year > old girl..who drank radiation for her thyroid was in full blown meno within one > month of the treatment—because they shut down her thyroid—from what i know > in her case it was irreversible…even though she went on thryoid hormone to > replace her dead gland!) there has to be a connection there with the slowing of > the thyroid the pituitary and the receptor sites within the body for these > hormones! > There is a lot of controversy as to what the normal ranges for thyroid are. > My husband who at 37 was hospitalized with atrial fib…a tad overweight..but > in good shape and all of a sudden started snoring. I had them check his > thyroid levels and his tsh(thyroid stimulating hormone level) was 5. Now his > internists said normal…5 is the outer limits of normal meaning poss. > hypo…but never the less he said normal..no treatment. When i talked to my > endo about it…he told me he would prescribe a very low dose of synthroid for > him because he believes that to be too low and causing the problems with the > atrial fib. So you see…many drs look at numbers and not the patients > symptoms…and even though they may think to check the thyroid …when those > numbers are in the norm range on paper..drs say..not the thyroid..when in many > instances it very well may be! > I think they treat people for diseases such as atrial fib, high blood pressure, > etc. with medications to sustain them…but they are not getting to the > underlying causes of these diseases. I think with more research into > autoimmune diseases that they would find more answers to a lot of other > problems and even a way to slow aging..(as i was told by a dr..it is better to > be a little hypo than hyper..it will keep you younger longer…oh gee : ) maybe > it is the fountain of youth and its right inside of us! > oh well…off the soap box for now! > mary p

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mary p>>there is such a thing here called the "thyroid belt joan> This is not a "disease" as much as it -was- a dietary deficiency area. But with the introduction of iodized salt and varied diets, this is no longer the case. This has nothing to do with Iodized salt and varied diets…it was strictly calculated on the concentrated areas of high thyroid disease in populations in this area. Ask an endocrinologist.

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Why is there this current campaign among MDs in the US to get women off of unnecessary thryoid prescritions? Why are US MDs running scared about the connection between excessive thyroid medications and osteoporosis? J MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

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MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000311195855.02488.00001670@ng-cq1.aol.com… > Actually…..it is not just womens thyroids…although supposedly we may be > almost 20 times more likely to get the disease than men…but …you know there > is such a thing here called the "thyroid belt

This is not a "disease" as much as it -was- a dietary deficiency area. But with the introduction of iodized salt and varied diets, this is no longer the case. J It is all of the states along – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the great lakes…and have found reported cases of great number within that > region. Also…that dr from tunlane said in Louisiana…he was seeing many > many many families who had extremely strong long lines to autoimmune diseases. > He said that Louisiana had a very high number of graves and thyroid disease > rates. He was doing testing on children of families who had at least one > parent with an autoimmune disease. He did them on mine when he came to > pittburgh…he could tell out of my four boys which ones were genetically like > me and which ones were like my husband. Funny thing..the two dark haired who > look like me are genetically like my husband…the two blondes who look like my > husband are genetically like me. He was able to tell me that none of the boys > had the antibody to develop graves…although my one son has a small area of > vertilligo..that is another autoimmune disease. > Do you know that there was a time when they thought…and it still is up in the > air…that it could be sexually transmitted…… > do you really think barb and george bush got it that way…hard to picture, eh? > hee hee!! my bad!!!

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I hope your husband is not dead yet. He probably soon will be if you treat his Afib with thyroxine. A-fib is a known complication of hyper-thyroidism. It is also difficult to be in good shape and a tad overweight, I suppose it depends on your definitions Sam Saidi MPitc2000 <mpitc2…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000311011514.21848.00000166@ng-co1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband who at 37 was hospitalized with atrial fib…a tad overweight..but > in good shape and all of a sudden started snoring. I had them check his > thyroid levels and his tsh(thyroid stimulating hormone level) was 5. Now his > internists said normal…5 is the outer limits of normal meaning poss. > hypo…but never the less he said normal..no treatment. When i talked to my > endo about it…he told me he would prescribe a very low dose of synthroid for > him because he believes that to be too low and causing the problems with the > atrial fib.

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Joan Livingston wrote in message … >Why is Synthroid the Number two selling drug in the US? What is it about US >women’s thyroid glands in particular that goes so bad, yet US women are no >where near as healthy as women in countries that do not sell such large >quantities of thryoid medication. >What is going on with US women’s thyroid glands?

Good grief! Do you just recycle your comments? Having a thyroid problem doesn’t have anything to do with being overweight. Having a thyroid problem isn’t just a US problem. Maybe, the fact that thyroid disease, in the past, has been one of the diseases that was passed off as menopause. The thyroid problem is worldwide! Could you please pass on the information concerning top selling drugs in other countries? I have been trying to locate this information….and have come up empty. Would love to take a look at the other countries lists! Thanks….gs

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ok…i would like to say a little of what i know about graves disease and/autoimmune diseases. A person is born with a genetic tendency to develop an autoimmune disease. A dr from tulane who was studying graves who i met with and talked to at a conference we had here in pittsburgh, believed that he isolated an antibody that caused graves in a person that was already genetically suseptable to the disease..but alas he died of leukemia before his study was complete : ( Now…if your mother or father..etc. had diabetes, ms, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. …you could develop graves (and i was told that was the least harmful of the autoimmunes that i could get and i should be happy!) or any other autoimmune diseases. You do not have to have a family history of thyroid……i had none…BUT…if you do have a strong family history of it..it would be wise to be tested often. When they say a life stress can bring on the disease…it can mean a natural childbirth..changes in hormones (such as peri or meno)…a death or life circumstance of tragedy, etc. even puberty in young girls can trigger the disease to come out. It doesnt have to mean you have six kids…two jobs…no money, etc…. Most of the hundreds of people that i have talked to had no major life stressors other than childbirth, meno, or menses. I sort of liken it to TB and someone who tests pos. but doesnt have it and they could even have a granuloma in their lungs but it lays dormant until maybe someone gets sick with a serious disease and then it comes out! I would like to add that i firmly believe in my heart that the thyroid and the way it can malfunction…either hypo or hyper…can cause a lot more problems than these drs realize and I truly believe that eventually they will find that it is behind such things as sleep apnea, heart problems both in men and women, a contributer to hardening of the artieries (because when you are hyper…your chloresteral level drops really low!) and is even associated directly to menopause, depression, anxiety dissorders, learning disabilities, etc. I believe totally that when i had my thyroid gland irradiated…it threw me within a month into perimeno ( and as i think i have stated before…an eighteen year old girl..who drank radiation for her thyroid was in full blown meno within one month of the treatment—because they shut down her thyroid—from what i know in her case it was irreversible…even though she went on thryoid hormone to replace her dead gland!) there has to be a connection there with the slowing of the thyroid the pituitary and the receptor sites within the body for these hormones! There is a lot of controversy as to what the normal ranges for thyroid are. My husband who at 37 was hospitalized with atrial fib…a tad overweight..but in good shape and all of a sudden started snoring. I had them check his thyroid levels and his tsh(thyroid stimulating hormone level) was 5. Now his internists said normal…5 is the outer limits of normal meaning poss. hypo…but never the less he said normal..no treatment. When i talked to my endo about it…he told me he would prescribe a very low dose of synthroid for him because he believes that to be too low and causing the problems with the atrial fib. So you see…many drs look at numbers and not the patients symptoms…and even though they may think to check the thyroid …when those numbers are in the norm range on paper..drs say..not the thyroid..when in many instances it very well may be! I think they treat people for diseases such as atrial fib, high blood pressure, etc. with medications to sustain them…but they are not getting to the underlying causes of these diseases. I think with more research into autoimmune diseases that they would find more answers to a lot of other problems and even a way to slow aging..(as i was told by a dr..it is better to be a little hypo than hyper..it will keep you younger longer…oh gee : ) maybe it is the fountain of youth and its right inside of us! oh well…off the soap box for now! mary p

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