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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh?
Duh! When a new poster is completely unknown to ASAD’s stalking ring, then the members of the stalking ring doesn’t possess the knowledge they need of the posters vulnernabilities, nor personal info or dirt they need and use to manipulipute, bully, intimidate, coerce and control and/or press them into service to do their dirty work…and risk incarceration, committment and/or ruin their reputation perpetuity. Alexplore posted evidence substantiating his allegation one of his stalkers had kidnapped their child, fled to another state, shopped around for doctors until they found one who would drug up their child in violation of court order etc. IOW…you are talking to people who see themselves as Gods and Goddesss—therefore ABOVE THE LAW.
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So please, no one should think they have anything to do with my departure. The problem is all mine. If, in the future, I figure out a way to balance this thing, ASAD is the first (probably only) place I’d return to. I really do think you all are wonderful people, and I’ll miss you terribly. My thoughts and prayers will be with you all.
{{{Marcia}}} I’ve been through a phase of total Usenet absorbtion and know what you mean. Hope to see you back when you’ve found a better balance, take care, ok? Vashti
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh? I’m not spooking anyone. Bluesky seems to have understood completely what I was getting at there. We get "folks" passing through here who only want to stir up trouble. Spooks and such, donchaknow. I was letting Bluesky know that I’d checked posting history to see if s/he is for real. Bluesky accepted that for what it was. I don’t have the energy atm to deal with any more "folks" wanting to start trouble. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being such a person, I’d not have responded. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being totally 100% up-front, all’s cool. There was no evidence either direction, so I let Bluesky know I’d looked and I’m taking a chance that s/he is "for real." marcia, I can understand and I shall say no more … other than I personally say that I found it delightful to have marcia posting here. She presented a different perspective on things, very eloquently, IMO. I hope marcia will ‘come back, PLEASE. Marcia’s cool. She’s *definitely* "for real." From the response she gave when I posted about her posts disappearing, I think (hope) she’ll be back. FWIW, did you notice that her posts disappeared shortly after lots of people’s full names mysteriously appeared in the group? Think about it. As for "babybluesky"; that simply won’t do. Nope. It won’t do that I let BlueSky know that I checked posting history and am taking a chance that s/he is "for real," rather than someone coming in here trying to hurt people? I think that if *I* were new and someone posted, "Well, I looked up your posting history and can’t find evidence of whether or not you’re a decent person to talk to, but I’m going to take a chance that you are," I’d find it intriguing that they felt a need to look at my history before replying to me and I’d be pleased that they were willing to take a chance on me as an unknown player. I remember, all too well my hyper-hyper-hyper "sensitive" days. You’ve lost one of your hyper’s? NOBODY should ever need to feel embarrassed for their posting in ASAD. In my books; it ought not be allowed to happen. There should be no shame in making a twit of one’s self, here. We are all in the same boat. 1) I posted nothing which should embarass anyone, and it doesn’t seem to have bothered BlueSky. 2) Seems you’re trying to engage in the behavior of which others in the group have been (IMO) falsely accused – trying to tell others what to do. Way different than, "You’re doing X and getting Y result. How about trying Z. It worked for me. This is how you do it." [FWIW, this wouldn't seem all that big a deal, if it didn't look like hypocracy due to posts of yours that appeared supportive of those accusatory posts in the past.] <shrug I tend to try to make people feel welcome and comfortable here. But I’m also going to be upfront about what I think and feel. I tend to try to welcome newbies to the group, but [especially at this point, thanks to harmful ghosts] I’m also going to be blunt about the fact that I’m being careful in that welcoming. ’Tis only fair to the newbies to be forthright and honest about it, IMO. If you don’t like, well then… At least I don’t go around wreaking havoc with your chosen nym, posting with obscenities when I’m frustrated, or trying to pick fights with folks when I’m trying to get my own head straight. Kitten Why did she remove her posts? Do you think she took offense to you asking if she is "real"? That ultra-sensitive feeling sucks- I remember well. Well, if she left for that reason- and not some other… hopefully she’ll get over it, and come back.
Perhaps, the poster checked public records, and found out that ASAD has been indeed been being monopolized by a polymorphous parade of perverted convicted child molesters, porn kings, disbarred lawyers, S & M freaks, pharmaceutical marketeers and their mentally ill apologists and supporters. Lot’s of people prefer to check the facts out themselves, rather than rely on what "everyone" is saying! Besides, the overwhelming majority of posters desire healthy interactions with other posters. Mutual respect is the basis for healthy interactions. Kitten is amongst those who forever contrive to elevate herself to a one-up position vis a vis new posters —–with disasterous results. Kitten has taken to using the fact that her past contrivances has resulted in her having a series of negative personal interactions…to justify her contriving to place herself in a one-up, and newcomers in a one down,. Most people know when another person is setting them up for psychodrama ala the karpman drama triangle and RETREAT. Some people, like O’Hush, have unfinished business and welcome the opportunity to put themselves in same exact circumstances which caused their original trauma, accept the endless stream of comforting lies their new abusers and manipulators tell them AS IF Gospel, and, then let their new abusers manipulate them into allowing the new abusers to incite them to regress to the point of calling their new abusers endearing names like Mom, while the new abusers mentally rape them in public. O’Hush’s tenuous grasp on reality is such that she doesn’t grasp the reality that there will be may be long term consequences for allowing her new abusers to mentally rape her in a public forum, that may adversely impact her ability to get or keep a nursing license. Oh…well. I’m the bad guy…for being very concerned about the long term consequences of O’Hush’s s choosing to allow her new abusers to incite her to regress, then, mentally rape her in a public forum. IMO…her therapy was NOT successful—she should consider going back into therapy, and, get it right this time—rather than let herself be a pawn or patsy in the psychopathic zero sum games the pharmaceutical marketeers et al orchestrate on ASAD.
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<snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <shrug I tend to try to make people feel welcome and comfortable here. But I’m also going to be upfront about what I think and feel. I tend to try to welcome newbies to the group, but [especially at this point, thanks to harmful ghosts] I’m also going to be blunt about the fact that I’m being careful in that welcoming. ’Tis only fair to the newbies to be forthright and honest about it, IMO. If you don’t like, well then… At least I don’t go around wreaking havoc with your chosen nym, posting with obscenities when I’m frustrated, or trying to pick fights with folks when I’m trying to get my own head straight. Kitten Why did she remove her posts? Do you think she took offense to you asking if she is "real"? That ultra-sensitive feeling sucks- I remember well. Well, if she left for that reason- and not some other… hopefully she’ll get over it, and come back.
BlueSky’s posts were still there when I got up this morning, but they now seem to be gone. Marcia removed her posts yesterday, after the full real names of several of us were posted. She responded to my question about it, and from her response, I *think* she’ll still read/post. She may just be giving it some time, so as to keep folks with poor intentions from connecting her nym with her IRL identity. I hope so. She has had some really good contributions to make. Kitten
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BlueSky’s posts were still there when I got up this morning, but they now seem to be gone. Marcia removed her posts yesterday, after the full real names of several of us were posted. She responded to my question about it, and from her response, I *think* she’ll still read/post. She may just be giving it some time, so as to keep folks with poor intentions from connecting her nym with her IRL identity. I hope so. She has had some really good contributions to make. Kitten
Babybluesky removed all her posts from all the different forums she posted to, so I don’t think her reasons had anything to do with Kitten’s concerns. I read all of her messages and all the various responses last evening, because I was curious about her, too. She got a lot of bad/weird advice in other places, imo. One of the last messages she posted asked someone in a different group how to make sure her messages weren’t archived. He told her about the x-archive-no (or however that works) thing, and now her posts are gone. It’s possible she’ll be back under a different nym, with the "no archive" thing in place. Or, she may possibly have been spooked by some of the strange characters in other NGs. Whatever was going on, it had nothing to do with you, Kitten, or anyone else here, I’m sure of that. As for me, I was on the receiving end of a 45-minute lecture from my pdoc yesterday about my excessive involvement in Usenet, with a *strong* suggestion that I spend the next 30 days getting *off* the internet and back into the 3D world. The lecture better have been on the house, because I can’t really afford *that* much of his time. 
FWIW, I’ve been seeing this pdoc for 8 years, would trust him with my life, and know he has my best interests at heart. I’ve enjoyed my time here, and really like the people I’ve met. I know you guys aren’t sadistic stalkers, pharmaceutical shills, child abusers, kidnappers, murderers, whatevers and so on. You know what I mean. And I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about being accused of things you’re not guilty of, because (I think) most people are smart enough to recognize where the problem lies. You are really the nicest group of people I’ve met on Usenet, and by far the most *stable* and supportive bunch. Unfortunately, I’ve become so overinvolved in Usenet (not just here; I’ve posted other places, too) that, for the last two months or so, it’s been *all* I’ve done. Literally. From the time I wake up in the morning until the time I go to bed at night, I’m sitting here reading and posting, reading and posting. Then, all this stuff swirls in my mind as I lay in bed, and I end up getting about 1/2 the sleep I need. I’ve neglected my family, my house, my work (I create and sell 3d computer models), and my mental health because I’ve become so obsessed with Usenet. For now, I have to wean myself away from this world and try to get back to my regular life. My marketing rep at the model broker called a couple of weeks ago because my productivity has fallen off to nothing, and I pretty much ignored his advice that I get back on top of things. My pdoc is right; I just have to stop or I won’t *have* a life in the 3D world any more. You all seem much better at balancing your on-line use with your real lives, so this isn’t meant as a blanket statement about other people. So please, no one should think they have anything to do with my departure. The problem is all mine. If, in the future, I figure out a way to balance this thing, ASAD is the first (probably only) place I’d return to. I really do think you all are wonderful people, and I’ll miss you terribly. My thoughts and prayers will be with you all. 
marcia PS Kitten, from another thread: Don’t worry if it takes you awhile to learn to trust the new T. I had the same problem about opening up to people, and it took probably 6 months before I felt like I knew my T well enough to *start* telling my story. It may not take you that long, but I expect your T will be patient and will understand why you find it difficult, so don’t put too much pressure on yourself, and don’t quit prematurely out of frustration. I saw my T for 4 years, and he really saved my life. Trusting him was the best thing I ever did; waiting to be sure he deserved my trust was the most sensible thing I ever did. I’m sure you know what I mean.
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As for me, I was on the receiving end of a 45-minute lecture from my pdoc yesterday about my excessive involvement in Usenet, with a *strong* suggestion that I spend the next 30 days getting *off* the internet and back into the 3D world. The lecture better have been on the house, because I can’t really afford *that* much of his time.
You probably threw his schedule off for the rest of the day! FWIW, I’ve been seeing this pdoc for 8 years, would trust him with my life, and know he has my best interests at heart. I’ve enjoyed my time here, and really like the people I’ve met. I know you guys aren’t sadistic stalkers, pharmaceutical shills, child abusers, kidnappers, murderers, whatevers and so on. You know what I mean. And I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about being accused of things you’re not guilty of, because (I think) most people are smart enough to recognize where the problem lies. You are really the nicest group of people I’ve met on Usenet, and by far the most *stable* and supportive bunch.
It’s nice to hear that, but geez, it doesn’t say a lot about usenet in general, does it? LOL. Unfortunately, I’ve become so overinvolved in Usenet (not just here; I’ve posted other places, too) that, for the last two months or so, it’s been *all* I’ve done. Literally. From the time I wake up in the morning until the time I go to bed at night, I’m sitting here reading and posting, reading and posting. Then, all this stuff swirls in my mind as I lay in bed, and I end up getting about 1/2 the sleep I need. I’ve neglected my family, my house, my work (I create and sell 3d computer models), and my mental health because I’ve become so obsessed with Usenet.
Your doctor is right, this doesn’t sound good. So, as much as I hate to see you go, "Bye, bye, little Marcia. Off you go to explore the real world." For now, I have to wean myself away from this world and try to get back to my regular life. My marketing rep at the model broker called a couple of weeks ago because my productivity has fallen off to nothing, and I pretty much ignored his advice that I get back on top of things. My pdoc is right; I just have to stop or I won’t *have* a life in the 3D world any more. You all seem much better at balancing your on-line use with your real lives, so this isn’t meant as a blanket statement about other people. So please, no one should think they have anything to do with my departure. The problem is all mine. If, in the future, I figure out a way to balance this thing, ASAD is the first (probably only) place I’d return to. I really do think you all are wonderful people, and I’ll miss you terribly. My thoughts and prayers will be with you all.
I hope to see you back someday, only less of you–and I mean that in the nicest way. In the meanwhile, best wishes. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s suppose ( make believe, ONLY ) the following … * babybluesky has pure ADD only ( .. no OCD ) * Raving Loonie has pure ADD only. What are people who have OCD like? The way it’s been explained to me; a person who has an OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves, their environment, their own situation. I seem to be married to someone who has an OCD temprement. I married a control freak. Strangely, when I look back over my life; most, if not all, of the people that I have had a meaningful relationship with have been OCD type people. An old story. .. Think of that T.V. show … "The Odd Couple" A matchup of ADD and OCD. There is a perceptual illusion about OCD types … I am constantly getting the impression that my wife is trying to control "me". … in having ADD; that doesn’t bother me. ‘ Manipulate me ‘. … I don’t care. ( .. most of the time ) But my DW isn’t manipulating me. … She doesn’t care about "me" at all. ( At least, I am a secondary consideration ). My DW first & foremost wishes to rule herself. The Raving Loonie is just a ‘ means to an ends ‘. .. or a ‘ fixure’ that needs being attended to … I make the mistake of thinking it’s about "me". Nope. Not, at all …. My dear wife has her hands full just trying to rule her own reality. I am a devout hedonist. My dear wife is an ascetist Stimulants … What do stimulants do? They help to improve self-directed thought. … Improve conscious control over one’s thought process. …. They also seem to condense reality … ( There are some other beneficial reasons to use stimulants. … I ignore those reasons, here. ) Let’s assume ( make believe ) that stimulants are *apropriate* for treating ADD. What happens? You have probably ‘missed’ it ! From the previous posting … How does a person with OCD ‘think’? The way it’s been explained to me; a person who has an OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves, their environment, their own situation. What do sitmulants do? ‘ They help to improve self-directed thought. ’ Notice that … a) OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves b) Stimulants help to improve self-directed thought. Ergo, the ’same’ ! Taking stimulants moves a person towards being OCD in thought style. Fancy that! … Condensed thought can lead to paralysis of decision .. anxiety and stress ( OCD ) What is ‘obcessive’ ,eh? How about .. OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves or … self-directed thought Seeing the <match yet? Look again at the description of ‘Amphetamine psychosis’. … Admittedly, this describes a very excessive usage of stimulants, … it is nevertheless describing OCD issues. Funny how those with ADD who take stimulants come across as being psychotic and/or OCD! I wonder why?
I freely admit that the stimulants which I use can throw me strongly into a severe OCD state. Of and by itself; if that is all that there is considered … it isn’t a good idea. It is easy to forget that this severe OCD ‘tight-assed’ lock up is NOT the whole story. Rather, it is an end state. … a stable critical point … a pit that one falls into and stays in. What is *MOST SIGNIFICANT* and forgotten is the bigger picture of "how" a person ARRIVED and "what" needs to be done to DEPART the paralyzed morass. This ‘falling’ into a severe OCD condition … and ESCAPING from the "same" is the essential key. Stimulants are very likely to create this problem !!!!! (This *POSTING* is a very important NODE. .. It’s worth coming back at it; again and again. I shall do so. ) Cordially, RL
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh? I’m not spooking anyone. ….
Sheesh Mac Fhud-a-dud, I was rhetorically challenging you. …. Surely, you ‘jest’; should you claim to be ‘rhetorically challenged’. Right? :- I *didn’t* mean for you to take it personally, eh. Cripes. You are almost as hypersensitive as "bluesky". *blush* *blush* *blush* Of what use is a name like … " Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe " when you re-act like a Mac Fhud-a-dud? [snippity doo. ... I'll have no more of this.] Cordially, RL
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I know you guys aren’t sadistic stalkers, pharmaceutical shills, child abusers, kidnappers, …….
You know no such thing. While it’s appropriate to receive everything said as something which may be true or false… It’s pure stupidity to dismiss my assertions outright. Especially, since I post non-anonymously and the stalkers, pharmaceutical shills, disbarred attorney, porn king, S & M freak, killer, and/or their deluded mentally ill supporters and apologists could and would sue me for libel if I ever posted anything untrue. But,…that’s ok. I understand people’s cowardice and vanity and desperate need to belong causes them to tell themselves comforting LIES so they don’t have a guilty conscience about thier contribution to the suffering and misery of the many victims of the stalkers, pharmaceeutical shills, porn king, S & M freak, killer, and/or their mentally ill supporters and apologists. Since you obviously decided to tell yourself comforting lies to justify your associating with the miscreants…it’s in your best interest to unsubscribe rather than become an unwitting participant in their serial stalking, harassment and libel of innocent people They have suckered nicer people then you into their psychopathic games…and, itheir continuing to post for 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 years is PROOF that it’s always the mentally ill patsy’s they suck in and prevail upon to do their dirty work, who pay dearly for their gullibility…incarceration, commitment, reputation ruined in perpetuity. You need their, ahem, support…like you need a hole in your head. Take Care, Linda
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh? I’m not spooking anyone. Bluesky seems to have understood completely what I was getting at there. We get "folks" passing through here who only want to stir up trouble. Spooks and such, donchaknow. I was letting Bluesky know that I’d checked posting history to see if s/he is for real. Bluesky accepted that for what it was. I don’t have the energy atm to deal with any more "folks" wanting to start trouble. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being such a person, I’d not have responded. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being totally 100% up-front, all’s cool. There was no evidence either direction, so I let Bluesky know I’d looked and I’m taking a chance that s/he is "for real." marcia, I can understand and I shall say no more … other than I personally say that I found it delightful to have marcia posting here. She presented a different perspective on things, very eloquently, IMO. I hope marcia will ‘come back, PLEASE. Marcia’s cool. She’s *definitely* "for real." From the response she gave when I posted about her posts disappearing, I think (hope) she’ll be back. FWIW, did you notice that her posts disappeared shortly after lots of people’s full names mysteriously appeared in the group? Think about it. As for "babybluesky"; that simply won’t do. Nope. It won’t do that I let BlueSky know that I checked posting history and am taking a chance that s/he is "for real," rather than someone coming in here trying to hurt people? I think that if *I* were new and someone posted, "Well, I looked up your posting history and can’t find evidence of whether or not you’re a decent person to talk to, but I’m going to take a chance that you are," I’d find it intriguing that they felt a need to look at my history before replying to me and I’d be pleased that they were willing to take a chance on me as an unknown player. I remember, all too well my hyper-hyper-hyper "sensitive" days. You’ve lost one of your hyper’s? NOBODY should ever need to feel embarrassed for their posting in ASAD. In my books; it ought not be allowed to happen. There should be no shame in making a twit of one’s self, here. We are all in the same boat. 1) I posted nothing which should embarass anyone, and it doesn’t seem to have bothered BlueSky. 2) Seems you’re trying to engage in the behavior of which others in the group have been (IMO) falsely accused – trying to tell others what to do. Way different than, "You’re doing X and getting Y result. How about trying Z. It worked for me. This is how you do it." [FWIW, this wouldn't seem all that big a deal, if it didn't look like hypocracy due to posts of yours that appeared supportive of those accusatory posts in the past.] <shrug I tend to try to make people feel welcome and comfortable here. But I’m also going to be upfront about what I think and feel. I tend to try to welcome newbies to the group, but [especially at this point, thanks to harmful ghosts] I’m also going to be blunt about the fact that I’m being careful in that welcoming. ’Tis only fair to the newbies to be forthright and honest about it, IMO. If you don’t like, well then… At least I don’t go around wreaking havoc with your chosen nym, posting with obscenities when I’m frustrated, or trying to pick fights with folks when I’m trying to get my own head straight. Kitten
Why did she remove her posts? Do you think she took offense to you asking if she is "real"? That ultra-sensitive feeling sucks- I remember well. Well, if she left for that reason- and not some other… hopefully she’ll get over it, and come back.
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**Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real."
Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh? marcia, I can understand and I shall say no more … other than I personally say that I found it delightful to have marcia posting here. She presented a different perspective on things, very eloquently, IMO. I hope marcia will ‘come back, PLEASE. As for "babybluesky"; that simply won’t do. Nope. I remember, all too well my hyper-hyper-hyper "sensitive" days. NOBODY should ever need to feel embarrassed for their posting in ASAD. In my books; it ought not be allowed to happen. There should be no shame in making a twit of one’s self, here. We are all in the same boat. Period. Cordially, Raving Loonie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." Alright Mc Fuddle Duddle, What’s with this business of *spooking* all these newbie posters, eh?
I’m not spooking anyone. Bluesky seems to have understood completely what I was getting at there. We get "folks" passing through here who only want to stir up trouble. Spooks and such, donchaknow. I was letting Bluesky know that I’d checked posting history to see if s/he is for real. Bluesky accepted that for what it was. I don’t have the energy atm to deal with any more "folks" wanting to start trouble. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being such a person, I’d not have responded. If I’d found evidence of Bluesky being totally 100% up-front, all’s cool. There was no evidence either direction, so I let Bluesky know I’d looked and I’m taking a chance that s/he is "for real." marcia, I can understand and I shall say no more … other than I personally say that I found it delightful to have marcia posting here. She presented a different perspective on things, very eloquently, IMO. I hope marcia will ‘come back, PLEASE.
Marcia’s cool. She’s *definitely* "for real." From the response she gave when I posted about her posts disappearing, I think (hope) she’ll be back. FWIW, did you notice that her posts disappeared shortly after lots of people’s full names mysteriously appeared in the group? Think about it. As for "babybluesky"; that simply won’t do. Nope.
It won’t do that I let BlueSky know that I checked posting history and am taking a chance that s/he is "for real," rather than someone coming in here trying to hurt people? I think that if *I* were new and someone posted, "Well, I looked up your posting history and can’t find evidence of whether or not you’re a decent person to talk to, but I’m going to take a chance that you are," I’d find it intriguing that they felt a need to look at my history before replying to me and I’d be pleased that they were willing to take a chance on me as an unknown player. I remember, all too well my hyper-hyper-hyper "sensitive" days.
You’ve lost one of your hyper’s? NOBODY should ever need to feel embarrassed for their posting in ASAD. In my books; it ought not be allowed to happen. There should be no shame in making a twit of one’s self, here. We are all in the same boat.
1) I posted nothing which should embarass anyone, and it doesn’t seem to have bothered BlueSky. 2) Seems you’re trying to engage in the behavior of which others in the group have been (IMO) falsely accused – trying to tell others what to do. Way different than, "You’re doing X and getting Y result. How about trying Z. It worked for me. This is how you do it." [FWIW, this wouldn't seem all that big a deal, if it didn't look like hypocracy due to posts of yours that appeared supportive of those accusatory posts in the past.] <shrug I tend to try to make people feel welcome and comfortable here. But I’m also going to be upfront about what I think and feel. I tend to try to welcome newbies to the group, but [especially at this point, thanks to harmful ghosts] I’m also going to be blunt about the fact that I’m being careful in that welcoming. ’Tis only fair to the newbies to be forthright and honest about it, IMO. If you don’t like, well then… At least I don’t go around wreaking havoc with your chosen nym, posting with obscenities when I’m frustrated, or trying to pick fights with folks when I’m trying to get my own head straight. Kitten
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Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder if you are mocking me with the references to panic and anxiety disorder. I hope the former is right. I’m not mocking you. .. I feel very washed out / tired today ( not much sleep etc.) This is a very important and confusing topic. I will get to it and do my best as soon as I can. Please bear with me.
I have already followed one path which started to explore the meaning of psychotic. Here, I want to start a different path, babybluesky. I shall vigorously assume the following. … ( It doesn’t matter that my assumptions are inaccurate. … treat them as hypothetical " what – if’s ". It will all come together later. ) Let’s suppose ( make believe, ONLY ) the following … * babybluesky has pure ADD only ( .. no OCD ) * Raving Loonie has pure ADD only. * ADD and OCD are not a pathology. Rather, they are a style of "thinking". ( In other words, there are many ways of going about and using one’s mind. ADD, OCD, bipolar, autism, etc are representative of different trends as to how a person can use their mind. ) * Adopting one ‘trend’ of mind usage prempts and precludes usage of a different trend. (Thus, if a person elects to be ADD, they concurrently reject being bipolar. Doing it one way means that you are not doing it another way! … In other words… No comorbidity. * Insofar as I propose this exclusion aspect to [style of "thinking"] …. … Is there any mechanism by which it might come about? Here is one … In choosing betwen ADD, OCD, bipolar, schizophrenia, ____, ____ a person is selecting a … … style or tend of "awareness" Notice: I am saying that there are a few different styles/trends of awareness … A person who has [ADD, OCD, bipolar, schizophrenia, ____, ____] has selected one style/trend/pattern of "awareness" to the exclusion of another style/trend/pattern of "awareness". Yes. It really is true. There is a discernable difference in the style/trend/pattern of "awareness" between those who are ADD, OCD, bipolar, schizophrenia, ____, ____ AD(D) isn’t so much Attention Deficit. …. rather it is Attention Displacement Those with ADD have a pattern of awareness which seems to constantly relocate the focus of awareness from one location to another … jump, jump, jump, jump. Schizophrenics also do this jumping about .,.. but in a very different and characteristic sort sort of way. Bipolar types do it differently, again. Autistics have a whole different way, too … Etc, etc .. * Notice that awareness is a limited commodity. Everyone specializes in what they choose to be aware … and the manner by which they exercise such awareness. We specialize, narrow and limit our awareness in order to be more selective … to be more effective. It would seem that those who have been born with the ADD style of awareness are less selective than those who are born with alternate thinking styles, eh. I wonder why? ( To be continued … ) Cordially, RL
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Let’s suppose ( make believe, ONLY ) the following … * babybluesky has pure ADD only ( .. no OCD ) * Raving Loonie has pure ADD only.
What are people who have OCD like? The way it’s been explained to me; a person who has an OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves, their environment, their own situation. I seem to be married to someone who has an OCD temprement. I married a control freak. Strangely, when I look back over my life; most, if not all, of the people that I have had a meaningful relationship with have been OCD type people. An old story. .. Think of that T.V. show … "The Odd Couple" A matchup of ADD and OCD. There is a perceptual illusion about OCD types … I am constantly getting the impression that my wife is trying to control "me". … in having ADD; that doesn’t bother me. ‘ Manipulate me ‘. … I don’t care. ( .. most of the time ) But my DW isn’t manipulating me. … She doesn’t care about "me" at all. ( At least, I am a secondary consideration ). My DW first & foremost wishes to rule herself. The Raving Loonie is just a ‘ means to an ends ‘. .. or a ‘ fixure’ that needs being attended to … I make the mistake of thinking it’s about "me". Nope. Not, at all …. My dear wife has her hands full just trying to rule her own reality. I am a devout hedonist. My dear wife is an ascetist " Asceticism Asceticism denotes a life which is characterised by refraining from worldly pleasures (austerity). Those who practice ascetic lifestyles often perceive their practices as virtuous and pursue them to achieve greater spirituality. In a more cynical context, ascetic may connote some form of self-mortification, ritual punishment of the body or harsh renunciation of pleasure. However the word certainly does not necessarily imply a negative connotation. …. " see http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/Ascetism IMO, those who have OCD are similar to ascetists. " Hedonism Hedonism (Greek: hedone "pleasure" + -ism) describes any way of thinking that gives pleasure a central role. Hedonism can be generally summed up as "Pleasure is the highest good", or in an ethical formulation, "whatever causes pleasure is right." However, even if one assents that the highest good is pleasure, it is still difficult to ascertain what it is that brings the most pleasure. For example, a night of pleasurable heavy drinking can lead to painful consequences that outweigh the initial pleasure. …" http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/hedonism IMO, those who have ADD are similar to hedonists. Please recognize that Hedonism doesn’t mean ‘lack of virtue’. It is a scheme of control based upon embracing (yielding ) rather than resisting ( restraining ) (To be continued … ) Cordially, RL
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s suppose ( make believe, ONLY ) the following … * babybluesky has pure ADD only ( .. no OCD ) * Raving Loonie has pure ADD only. What are people who have OCD like? The way it’s been explained to me; a person who has an OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves, their environment, their own situation. I seem to be married to someone who has an OCD temprement. I married a control freak. Strangely, when I look back over my life; most, if not all, of the people that I have had a meaningful relationship with have been OCD type people. An old story. .. Think of that T.V. show … "The Odd Couple" A matchup of ADD and OCD. There is a perceptual illusion about OCD types … I am constantly getting the impression that my wife is trying to control "me". … in having ADD; that doesn’t bother me. ‘ Manipulate me ‘. … I don’t care. ( .. most of the time ) But my DW isn’t manipulating me. … She doesn’t care about "me" at all. ( At least, I am a secondary consideration ). My DW first & foremost wishes to rule herself. The Raving Loonie is just a ‘ means to an ends ‘. .. or a ‘ fixure’ that needs being attended to … I make the mistake of thinking it’s about "me". Nope. Not, at all …. My dear wife has her hands full just trying to rule her own reality. I am a devout hedonist. My dear wife is an ascetist
Stimulants … What do stimulants do? They help to improve self-directed thought. … Improve conscious control over one’s thought process. …. They also seem to condense reality … ( There are some other beneficial reasons to use stimulants. … I ignore those reasons, here. ) Let’s assume ( make believe ) that stimulants are *apropriate* for treating ADD. What happens? You have probably ‘missed’ it ! From the previous posting …
How does a person with OCD ‘think’? The way it’s been explained to me; a person who has an OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves, their environment, their own situation.
What do sitmulants do? ‘ They help to improve self-directed thought. ’ Notice that … a) OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves b) Stimulants help to improve self-directed thought. Ergo, the ’same’ ! Taking stimulants moves a person towards being OCD in thought style. Fancy that! … Condensed thought can lead to paralysis of decision .. anxiety and stress ( OCD ) What is ‘obcessive’ ,eh? How about .. OCD temprement is very much involved in controling themselves or … self-directed thought Seeing the <match yet? Look again at the description of ‘Amphetamine psychosis’. … Admittedly, this describes a very excessive usage of stimulants, … it is nevertheless describing OCD issues. Funny how those with ADD who take stimulants come across as being psychotic and/or OCD! I wonder why? (To be continued … ) Cordially, RL Amphetamine psychosis … Hallucinations are frequently reported in chronic amphetamine users, with over 80% of users reporting the presence of hallucinatory experiences2, typically as visual or auditory experiences. Delusions, paranoia, fears about persecution, hyperactivity and panic are also reported as the most common features3 Concurrent to having delusions and hallucinations, chronic amphetamine users may also display stereotyped, repetitive and seemingly purposeless movements, known as ‘motor stereotypies’ or more commonly as ‘knick knacking’, ‘tweeking’ or being ‘hung-up’. These may include examining, sorting, disassembling, and cleaning. The article on punding gives a more conclusive description of this behavior. One particular manifestation of psychosis associated with amphetamine use is delusional parasitosis or Ekbom’s syndrome, where a person falsely believes themselves to be infested with parasites. However, related behaviour may occur in non-psychotic conditions, where users will realise they are not infested by parasites but will pick at their skin anyway. This more closely resembles obsessive-compulsive disorder. … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_psychosis
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**Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.**
O.K. If you and others will allow me to slow down a bit … … and if I can summon up descriptions and compression that is required to work through this. … without becoming paralyzed, paranoid, lost, overwhelmed or excessively terse. *Maybe*, I can untangle this mess. I have to go through it very slowly. Like watching a glacier flow … like. Cordially, RL ( Be back here later. .. hopefully )
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**Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.**
<snipped for brevity… yeah, yeah, I know. Y’all don’t think I know the meaning of the word. I go crazy, out of my mind, with anxiety, panic attacks, and guilt. There is no other reason for me to think there’s anything wrong with me than that I am guilty and shameful and am trying to draw conclusions about things that haven’t gone well in my life. I also have plenty of time to ruminate and worry, since i’m unemployed and finding it hard to focus when there is nothing to focus on!!! Has anyone else out there convinced themselves that they must have something wrong with them and that all doctors are wrong/incompetent? If so, have you convinced yourself that you deserve anything bad to happen to you?
OK, just a bit of a heads-up for the OP (original poster). I looked at the posting history for your nick. Only 3 posts, all this one, to three different groups, all within the past half hour. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and gamble on the assumption that you’re "for real." OK, here goes. Take it for what it’s worth. This is *my* opinion, based on *my* experiences in life. Stop driving yourself crazy with this circular thinking! It won’t do you any good. It will make it more difficult for you to get a job, to get a boyfriend (seems you’d like to have one, from what you wrote), and to get a satisfying life. Those constant self-imposed guilt trips will drive you bonkers, and you won’t do yourself or anyone else any good. Work with your doctor. Talk to him/her about these feelings. Stop beating yourself up emotionally. This is just from my experience. Kitten
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Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder if you are mocking me with the references to panic and anxiety disorder. I hope the former is right.
RL’s being totally serious. You *really* want him to slow down and take his time processing your post and formulating his response. He has some really good insight, when he slows down. Kitten
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Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder if you are mocking me with the references to panic and anxiety disorder. I hope the former is right.
I’m not mocking you. .. I feel very washed out / tired today ( not much sleep etc.) This is a very important and confusing topic. I will get to it and do my best as soon as I can. Please bear with me. Cordially, RL
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Oh, I’m for real alright. Just going out of my mind.
I understand. IMO, this topic is super important .. and very confusing. Relax. I’ll do it when and where I can .. be it later today .. or next week .. or never. Accept it that way, eh? O.K.? Cordially, RL
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Oh, I’m for real alright. Just going out of my mind.
That’s good, that you’re for real. We get our share of folks trying to take advantage of the fact that we’ve got ADHD. <shrug Kitten
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Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder if you are mocking me with the references to panic and anxiety disorder. I hope the former is right.
Please accept that my view is a personal one. I am not a Medical Health Professional. Some would consider my opinions to be nuts. :- I have ADD. It is going to take time to develop this. please ignore premature conclusions; to which you might ‘ jump ‘. ‘ Psychosis ‘ isn’t necessesarily a bad thing. Frankly, it’s neither here nor there. I include further personal comments regarding psychosis in another posting. Cordially, RL [Quoting ... ] Psychosis Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state in which thought and perception are severely impaired. Persons experiencing a psychotic episode may experience hallucinations, hold delusional beliefs (e.g., grandiose or paranoid delusions), demonstrate personality changes and exhibit disorganized thinking (see thought disorder). This is often accompanied by lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of such behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living. A psychotic episode is often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis [Quoting ... ] ADHD psychosis Definition ADHD psychosis (or ADD psychosis) is a distinctive form of psychosis, identified by Leopold Bellak and his colleagues, which accompanies attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). [edit] Treatment ADHD psychosis tends to be treatable with typical ADHD medication such as stimulants, antidepressants, or a combination of the two. ADHD psychosis can also be treated with psychotherapy, which is often an adjunct to the pharmaceutical treatment of ADHD. ADHD psychosis responds to neither conventional neuroleptics, such as Haldol or Thorazine, or atypical antipsychotic medications, such as Seroquel, Zyprexa or Risperdal, currently the most commonly prescribed antipsychotic. [edit] Prevalence Although this condition does not appear in DSM-IV, and is not widely recognized, it has been detailed in several academic papers which give a number of case examples1, 2, 3. [edit] Possible Symptoms Among the many symptoms that an ADHD patient may experience are impulsivity, the inability to organize thoughts, difficulty keeping track of time, remembering important events or tasks, the inability to complete tasks, and the tendency to delay tasks that require more concentration. Commonly a perceived psychotic episode in a patient could reasonably be attributed to the patient’s inability to properly organize thoughts and information. If, for example, a patient consistently consciously spends more money than he or she earns, the behavior could be considered psychotic based on the assumption that the patient believes that he or she earns more money than is obviously the case. The patient usually knows about this situation, but is unable to control it effectively, due to ADHD symptoms. Another example would be a patient who consistently and knowingly does not keep appointments or appears late to events or meetings to which the patient had explicitly agreed to be attending on time. … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADD_psychosis [Quoting ... ] Amphetamine psychosis Amphetamine psychosis is a form of psychosis which can result from amphetamine or methamphetamine use. Typically it appears after large doses or chronic use, although in rare cases some people may become psychotic after relatively small doses. Other chemicals or drugs which similarly increase dopamine function (such as cocaine and L-DOPA) can produce similar psychotic states. Because of this, the term stimulant psychosis is sometimes used in preference. Amphetamine psychosis can include delusions, hallucinations and thought disorder. This is thought to be largely due to the increase in dopamine activity in the mesolimbic pathway of the brain caused by amphetamine-like drugs, although other factors such as chronic sleep deprivation may also play a part. The link between amphetamine and psychosis is one of the major sources of evidence for the dopamine hypothesis of psychosis. The link between amphetamine and psychosis was first made by Young and Scoville in 19381 and was originally considered to be a rare condition. As amphetamine use increased after World War II, largely due to the widespread use of amphetamine compounds in nasal decongestant and dieting preparations, it became clear that chronic amphetamine use often led to psychotic symptoms. Hallucinations are frequently reported in chronic amphetamine users, with over 80% of users reporting the presence of hallucinatory experiences2, typically as visual or auditory experiences. Delusions, paranoia, fears about persecution, hyperactivity and panic are also reported as the most common features3 Concurrent to having delusions and hallucinations, chronic amphetamine users may also display stereotyped, repetitive and seemingly purposeless movements, known as ‘motor stereotypies’ or more commonly as ‘knick knacking’, ‘tweeking’ or being ‘hung-up’. These may include examining, sorting, disassembling, and cleaning. The article on punding gives a more conclusive description of this behavior. One particular manifestation of psychosis associated with amphetamine use is delusional parasitosis or Ekbom’s syndrome, where a person falsely believes themselves to be infested with parasites. However, related behaviour may occur in non-psychotic conditions, where users will realise they are not infested by parasites but will pick at their skin anyway. This more closely resembles obsessive-compulsive disorder. … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_psychosis
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**Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** I have only slept with one person, back when I was 17. I am Catholic and have been riddled with guilt about it and have convinced myself, even though it has been over 8 years, that I’m going to be punished for what I did and probably have AIDS and am dying of it, even though therapists, doctors, nurses have told me otherwise.
<SNIP I can relate to some of what you’ve said. There have been times, when I was under great stress, that I believed my family was going to become homeless, and my kids would end up crack, and so on, because God was punishing me for something I’d done when I was younger. And yeah, I felt constant anxiety, panic, and guilt, just like you’re describing. I’m not a pdoc, and I’m not trying to diagnose you, so please take this only as a suggestion to discuss with your doctor, but the symptoms you’re describing sound like major depression. That’s what was wrong with me, and the preoccupation with guilt, sin, punishment by God, sickness and so on are are well documented symptoms. You can become depressed even if some of the medication you’re on is supposed to *treat* depression, for example, even if you’re on an SSRI for your OCD. And you can also be depressed even if you don’t feel sad most of the time.
I am going to address a couple of these things…I am also Catholic, and also dealing with ADHD. I also have family members who are dealing with ADHD, and autism, so mental health issues are not exactly foreign to me, though yours and ours are different, that is true. I just wanted to bring up the fact that mental health issues are also not foreign to the Catholic Church, either (despite what some non-Catholics might think, and how the media might portay us <g One of our patron saints is actually the patron saint of mental health, and I include her each week in the litany of saints during the consecration of the Mass. Her name is Dymphna: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintd01.htm I will note that I am not suggesting that one give up persuing medical care while asking for prayers for help, because I also believe that "God helps those who help themselves" <G I just believe that it doesn’t hurt to ask for prayers from others–including saints <G While miracles have happened, they are relatively rare, and usually happen while the person was on the way to the doctor <g…But I post this to hopefully help you (BabyBlueSky) to realise that there is healing and there is Healing…and that mental health issues are recongised as being a problem in the Church–some have not and this has added to the guilt and to the mental health problems and made it harder…more of the "blame the victim" mentality that makes healing more difficult. If your spirit is as heavy as it seems to be, I would also find a sympathetic priest and start discussing things with him…note that I said sympathetic. Remember that priests are all human as well….and just like doctors, you might have to look around until you find one that has a good "fit" with your personality, because what you sound like you need is a spiritual counselor. "Hate the sin, lvoe the sinner" is a big motto….a good counselor will work towards that goal, of spiritual healing, just as a good doctor will work towards the goal of physical healing. My prayers are with you… — Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – **Note: I have and take medication for Attention Deficit Disorder (inattentive, not hyperactive), Panic Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder and OCD.** I have only slept with one person, back when I was 17. I am Catholic and have been riddled with guilt about it and have convinced myself, even though it has been over 8 years, that I’m going to be punished for what I did and probably have AIDS and am dying of it, even though therapists, doctors, nurses have told me otherwise. I have very low self-esteem and that’s why I think I deserve to have something the matter with me, b/c there’s no logical or rational reason for me to think anything is the matter with me. My parents know of my worries–everything–and both said that they would certainly march me right into a specialist if they thought for even a second that I had anything the matter with me. My doctor said the same thing–that my bloodwork comes back excellent and even without officially testing for HIV, when the technicians study the lab results for routine bloodwork, they would see abnormalities. I torture myself constantly, and since I am currently unemployed, I start telling myself the reason for my unemployment and not having a boyfriend is that I’ll probably die or something. I’m completely healthy and always have been. As is the guy that I slept with, by all accounts. I go crazy, out of my mind, with anxiety, panic attacks, and guilt. There is no other reason for me to think there’s anything wrong with me than that I am guilty and shameful and am trying to draw conclusions about things that haven’t gone well in my life. I also have plenty of time to ruminate and worry, since i’m unemployed and finding it hard to focus when there is nothing to focus on!!! Has anyone else out there convinced themselves that they must have something wrong with them and that all doctors are wrong/incompetent?
Not personally, but I know of people who had to search to find a competent doctor who was finally able to diagnose and treat their very real problem. If so, have you convinced yourself that you deserve anything bad to happen to you?
Not really, but I’ve had my own kinds of problems. I have two suggestions: 1) Get an HIV test. I don’t understand why you haven’t so far if you’re so obsessed with the possibility. In this day and age it makes sense. 2) Find yourself a competent therapist. Having someone to talk this stuff out with one-no-one is priceless, IMO. Priscilla
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder if you are mocking me with the references to panic and anxiety disorder. I hope the former is right. [Quoting ... ] Psychosis Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state in which thought and perception are severely impaired. Persons experiencing a psychotic episode may experience hallucinations, hold delusional beliefs (e.g., grandiose or paranoid delusions), demonstrate personality changes and exhibit disorganized thinking (see thought disorder). This is often accompanied by lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of such behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living. A psychotic episode is often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis
More or less, one way or another …. ‘ Psychosis ‘ means to have a distorted, skewed, unreasonale apreciation of reality. There are degrees of such distortiveness, right? 2%, 5%, 30% … In this way … in that way … etc. etc. .. You wrote. … Logically, I am thinking you are being serious and taking your reply at face value. But the misinterpretation tendency I have due to ADD makes me wonder …
Although, it might be very minor, it is technically ‘psychosis’. Some interpretations …. * How terrible. … a fucked-up view of reality. * So what. Big whoop. everyone has a messed up sense of reality … * It isn’t really pschosis until it causes serious mess ups. …. Additional possibilities … If I don’t like how things seem to be … I wait 5 minutes and reality appears to be completely different. Things are as they seem to be. Nothing is ever as it appears to be. The magician pulls the rabbit out of the hat. … Is it real or psychotic? Actually, most of human intellectual effort is spent on creating ways of sorting out ‘What to believe’ You are naturally psychotic. .. Congratulations. .. It is the timeless and quintessential human dilemma … "How do I know to believe and trust what I perceive ? " Given that a person with ADD changes how they perceive something .. second by second .. hour by hour . It is a very interesting question. Just do kid yourself that it is simple. It is NOT. What is science? More or less it is a methodology to help sort out bull-shit from bull-shit. Some bullshit seem to smell sweeter than other bullshit. ( At least that is how science would prefer to imagine it! ) (To be continued … with another posting ) Cordially, RL Stanley Kubrick For the record Memorable Quotes from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Dr. Bill Harford: No dream is ever just a dream. Dr. Bill Harford: Are you sure of that? Alice Harford: Am I sure? Only as sure as I am that the reality of one night, let alone that of a whole lifetime, can ever be the whole truth. Dr. Bill Harford: And no dream is ever just a dream. [last lines] Alice Harford: I do love you and you know there is something very important we need to do as soon as possible. Dr. Bill Harford: What’s that? Alice Harford: Fuck. see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120663/quotes
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Jackie ~*~If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude~*~ ~~ Maya Angelou quote — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm