Question:
THAT’S INSANE.
You will die in the pit of hell… Love and light. Neo
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HOWEDY neo,
message THAT’S INSANE. You will die in the pit of hell… Love and light. Neo
You mean for THIS?:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – inmessage It’s just a hunch, but this really isn’t the first time your dog has acted spooky around kids (especially loud ones), is it? She admitted the dog had been like this since she acquired him at 7 weeks of age. IMO, you need professional help. You admit that your dog has always been a "nervous beast," and she’s probably never going to get any better if YOU continue to do the same old things. And things may even get a lot worse. IMO, there’s probably something that YOU are doing here, i.e., some way that YOU are reacting, behaving, etc., that’s contributing to your dog’s skittishness and fear.
COULD BE THAT JERKING AND CHOKING ON HER PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR CRATING AND SPRAYING AVERSIVES IN HER FACE when the neighbor’s kids visited… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not necessarily. When a dog starts out fearful as a pup, and continued attempts at socialization don’t significantly remedy the problem, its not at all likely that the owner is doing something wrong. Rather its very likely the dog’s temperament is at fault. Yes, there are ways to desensitize a dog to situations like you’re describing, but it’s also very easy to make matters worse (which is what you are probably doing already), too, if you don’t do them correctly. Yes and sometimes forced socialization with no results will make matters worse. There are some dogs in this world that should be given the freedom to not go around people or places with loud noises. If the dog proves to be unresponsive to exposure of such things then IMO its more kind to just allow the dog to be a hermit. Not doing so continues to place the dog in situations where it becomes overly anxious. Get some help, Pam. And keep your dog out of the park and away from rowdy, noisy kids in the interim. Otherwise it’ll be that much harder for you to eventually deal with the situation effectively. By help I’d like to clarify that most trainers aren’t what’s needed here. Rather a behaviorist would be more effective. — Tara
THAT’S INSANE. YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer FOR THE SAME REASON. That wasn’t NUTHIN, neo. TRY THIS: "Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method"? HOWEDY People, Hello Tara, m… I tend to agree with the positive reinforcement method. Oh, that’s nice. I tend to think people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be pulling our chains… That’s what I tend to think, based on my experience working with people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to violence because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS… I TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that’s what I TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST, IMO, shock collars should be used only after normal obedience training methods have failed. If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well trained dogs. But that’s not the case, because NORMAL obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think and learn to want to work and think and learn… SEE? That’s what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE. It just bothers me to imagine shocking my dog, even at a very low frequency. It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than thinking about what punishment and confrontation can do to a dog’s temperament. That’s what I tend to think based on my thirty eight years professional experience training dogs. I will definitely admit that there are many dogs who either can’t or won’t benefit from training without such things as e-collars. Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience specializing in temperament and behavior problems and protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that based on your TENDENCY to believe incompetent dog abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent results from HURTING dogs to train them because they TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog??? OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer? I just hope its a last-resort, not a first. And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to answer my questions in good conscience…That’s what they TEND to do around here because our lying dog abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS. Like yourself. That’s what I tend to think. Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~} The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) NC Boxer Rescue Abuse HOWEDY People Here’s WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again. "I’m shocked that I shocked" Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know *how* to use an e-collar….assuming I had one which must have been stolen at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not. — Tara HOWEDY tara o., You didn’t HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER your own DEAD DOG Summer: Labs are a breed that are normally trained for field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other forms of physical interaction without making them fearful or aggressive. I think its pertinent to mention that I’ve never had any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever "training" I did with them. I would not feel comfortable relying on my past experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting, snapping or growling. — Tara O. I cant seem to understand why people believe prong collars are cruel and inhumane. They do nothing more than pinch, getting the attention of the animal. Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent damage. They bruise the esophagus. Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings, much the same as electric fencing. Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms that can quickly cause infestation here lol — Tara O. People are tired of being abused and insulted simply for saying they use a prong collar, or a choke collar, or an e-collar, or a crate, etc. If you want to LEARN more about dog training and dog behavior, then listen to what they have to say, too. "I’ve never not listened to what people say here. I use a crate, am about to begin with a choke collar, I’m not the bad guy here." tara o.
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HOWEDY leah,
The first incident was a total surprise to both of us.
But it was ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE. And it REMAINS CONSISTENT. AND REPEATABLE. THAT MEANS you can EXXXTINGUISH or CUE the behavior AS YOU PREFER, NEARLY INSTANTLY, if you know HOWE. BUT YOU DON’T, on accHOWENT of you’re LYING DOG ABUSING FRAUDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES, JUST JUDGING BY YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORYS. BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! I’d heard the kids playing, but I had no idea as to how close they actually were. As it turned out a couple of the kids were zooming past the exit of the path we were on just as we were coming out. The second incident I was aware that they were there and took steps to make sure that we didn’t get too close (more within her comfort zone).
JUST LIKE HOWE leah had THE SAME PROBLEM with her dog’s FEAR of the GARBAGE TRUCK. REMEMBER leah? AND let’s don’t FORGET that you took your own dog to a BEHAVIORIST a couple months ago for her FEAR AGGRESSION on leash of other dogs and YOU SEZ IT DIDN’T WORK. REMEMBER leah? That’s the key, right there.
INDEEDY! THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard GOES "BWEEEAAAAAAHAHAHAAA!!!!" REMEMBER NHOWE, you SIMPLETON? If humanly possible, avoid exposure that is not in her comfort zone while you’re working with her.
YOU MEAN AVOID THE PROBLEM. BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! I will agree with both Jack
There AIN’T NO "jack" leah. Your PAL jack is tommy sorenson aka joey finnochiario aka lyingdogDUMMY aka DOGMAN. HE’S A DOG ABUSING MENTALLY ILL COWARD. Like yourself. and Tara
And tara o. aka tee, who MURDERED HER OWN DEAD DOG Summer for FEAR AGGRESSION of SMALL CHILDREN despite that she was RAISED with them IN THE HOWES of her MURDERING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE who’s daughter is takin ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS in first grade. REMEMBER NHOWE leah you doGgamenedMENTALCASE? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHHAHAAA!!! in that you’re best off seeing a behaviorist who can help work with her in person.
YOU MEAN LIKE HOWE SHE DONE ALREADY, leah? And I will disagree with Jack.
IMAGINE? Medication may help this dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! But only an in-person diagnostic work-up can determine that.
LIKE SHE’S ALREADY DONE WITH NO SUCCESS? Family Dog Trainer
That so? LOOKS like you got FIRED from CANINE ACTION DOG TRAININ, eh leah? MIGHT that be on accHOWENT of you’re a DOG ABUSING FRAUD? "It’s A Dog’s Life"
Here’s you HURTING INTIMIDATING and MURDERING DOGS: Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill medications before settling on effexor for her chronic mental problems. Recenly changed to another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription. "I don’t think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he’s saying." Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let’s not forget the times he’s told posters whose dogs have medical problems that his halfwits-end program could cure them. PetsMart Pet Trainer My Kids, My Students, My Life "It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs stiffening quickly. It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so that made it much harder for her. And he was killed by bichons. Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead. (The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain"). Full moon. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com Then she mentioned the names of her dogs, and I immediately remembered them.
YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who’d been in your SOCIALIZATION classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park. I will always remember the dogs.
Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. REMEBER THIS WON, leah?: Really Bad Day HOWEDY leah,
The mom of a graduate student
BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You’re no dog trainer, you’re a FRAUD. interrupted my class,
Class??? You don’t have trainin classes you teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding behaviors doesn’t work an then you try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. in a state of shock,
AnyWON who’d trust you to train them to handle their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic meds before they started. to tell me that her rottie had killed a little dog at a dog park today.
Tough break. R.I.P., dog. She wanted to know if she had to put him to sleep.
That’s typical of a dog abusing coward, ain’t it. Mack is the quintessential dog-park dog.
You mean he likes to PLAY. I’ve seen him play, with all sizes of dogs.
Yeah. A dog is a dog. He’s gentle, friendly, non-dominant, non-aggressive, and has been going to the park weekly since he was a puppy.
And he’s been jerked and choked and scolded and punished and bribed since you began messin with him. I was in too much of a state of shock myself
You mean, you was NORMAL. to get details (like which park and what exactly happened),
Yeah. That’ll be REAL important for trHOWEbleshootin this behavior problem. Won’t it, leah. but she said he chased him,
And MOM couldn’t call him off cause IT won’t come when called nor will IT do anything else unless MOM is danglin a cookie in front of him. picked him up and shook him,
Typical Rottie behavior, ain’t it. then grabbed his brother.
SHOWENDS like he was just HAVIN FUN, like when you jerk and choked him to train him. The other one survived.
Got LUCKY, eh leah? Man. I tell my students in every class that dogs are not little people in fur suits.
But that’s just the begining. Then you teach them to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when they can’t BRIBE and AVOID their behavior problems. They are animals.
They’re able to HOWEtwit you and your ilk, leah. They have no morals,
Perhaps that’s just allelomimetic behavior? and don’t know right from wrong
AMAZING? Chalk THAT up to allelomimetic behavior, for SHORE. – only safe from not safe.
RIGHT. That’s HOWE COME dogs ATTACK, cause they’re AFRAID of SUMPTHIN. But then prey drive
You mean, when the dinner bell rings? Prey drive ain’t got NUTHIN to do with FEAR. Dogs chase PREY to EAT, not have FUN. Dogs chase THINGS on accHOWENT of the visual oral reflex, not PREY drive. Unless they’re chasin a bunny their PREY is in their food dish. rears its ugly head and really shoves the message home.
The MESSAGE is, you’ve HURT the dog to force control over IT and THAT’S HOWE COME IT was AFRAID and ATTACKED, not on accHOWENT of some IDIOCY abHOWET PREY drive. Because I’d bet that’s what happened.
You’re a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a dog abuser. This little white fuzzy guy whizzed by Mack, and his prey drive kicked in.
No. He was afraid he was gonna GET HURT for CHASIN IT, so he ATTACKED and MURDERED IT on accHOWENT of he knew he’d GET HURT for CHASIN IT. Plain and simple.
Plain an simple indeed. Not a bad dog,
Right. Dogs can’t know from BAD behavior. Dogs only respond in PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances of their environments which we create for them. not a dangerous dog.
Not till NHOWE. EVERY DOG IS DANGERHOWES. Just a dog. *Any* dog.
Is a dog and is dangerHOWES. THAT’S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn’t HURT and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE them an try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. I’m beginning to think that dog parks should be divided by size.
BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! Even in my class, if I have two puppies of vastly different sizes, I’m inches away from them while they’re playing.
To INTIMIDATE and FORCE control when necessary. THAT’S HOWE COME you can’t TRAIN a dog to BE TRUSTWORTHY. Like your own dogs… I’m not afraid of mouths, I’m afraid of feet – I do paw patrol.
You’re a IDIOT. Especially if the big dog is a boxer. :}
BWEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! In the park, nobody’s ever close enough to monitor well enough.
Perhaps they should be required to wear shock collars? At least if two similar-sized dogs go at it, one’s probably not going to kill each other with a mere shake.
Or put a eye HOWET. But it’s so *easy* for a big dog to kill a little dog.
No, that takes a bit of EXXXPERTISE, like what the owner PAID YOU FOR. What do you guys think?
You’re INSANE and you’re a FRAUD. I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.
It will, as you get MOORE EXXXPERIENCE. PetsMart Pet Trainer
You’re no trainer, you’re a FRAUD. My Kids, My Students, My Life:
Your own dogs bit you five times and destroyed your HOWES and ruined your marriage. You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Buck cause you was TOO STUPID to put him on a salt restricted diet for his congestive heart failure and fed him pizza and french fries and then MURDERED HIM cause you was TOO LAZY to walk him every two HOWERS in the cold central Florida weather. R.I.P. Dog. WON LAST GIFT: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ann
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HOWEDY melanie, If you were satisfied with your first behaviorist visit
Like HOWE you was when you first took your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY dog Solo to UofPA behaviorist dra. overall? IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, you was TOO EMBARRASSED to DIS-CUSS what you was TAUGHT by your BEHAVIORIST. AND IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY you STILL GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS you STARTED WITH three years ago. REMEMBER melanie? LOOK AT YOUR OWN MISERABLE DISMAL FAILURE! IOW, YOU GOT RIPPED OFF JUST LIKE HOWE pat GOT RIPPED OFF by her UNIVERSITY TRAINED BEHAVIORIST. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!! BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!! BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!! and found that following his or her recommendations helped your dog,
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!! "I’ve been working on a fear aggression issue with my 1-year-old German shepherd dog (Lexi) for quite some time now. I’ve been doing real well with her after ruling out all medical reasons and then seeing an animal behavioral specialist. Following her instructions of putting Lexi on the NILIF program, desensitizing and redirection she’s improved 90%" THAT MEANS DISMAL FAILURE, not 10% SUCCESS. I suggest that you contact the same behaviorist
Your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Solo has been on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATION for THREE YEARS with NO SUCCESS. REMEMBER melanie? with the questions you’ve asked here.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!! Most good behaviorists would want to know what was going on with their patients anyway.
You mean anyHOWE. BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! YOUR BEHAVIORISTS ARE FRAUDS JUST JUDGING BY YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORIES. But then, you can’t EXXXPECT a BEHAVIORIST to PREVENT a DOG ABUSER from ABUSING DOGS. LIKE THIS: "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I’d Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn’t HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn’t Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie. You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER? Melanie Lee Chang | Form ever follows function. Departments of Anthropology and Biology | University of Pennsylvania | – Louis Sullivan
I hope I’m not being a pest,(I have at least one question a week) but I’ve never owned a lab before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd has severe problems. This newsgroup made me realize she is normal. Her major problem is biting but I’m told labs and shepherds are both bad for that as puppies. Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took my arm and wouldn’t let go. I had to hang up as my arm still has puncture wounds. Has anyone had this problem? I think she gets upset that all my attention is not on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much) She also bites when she needs to go outside. Any suggestions? BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! Monday, December 06, 2004 10:15 PM
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"Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method?" HOWEDY People, Hello Tara, m… I tend to agree with the positive reinforcement method. Oh, that’s nice. I tend to think people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be pulling our chains… That’s what I tend to think, based on my experience working with people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to violence because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS… I TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that’s what I TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST, IMO, shock collars should be used only after normal obedience training methods have failed. If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well trained dogs. But that’s not the case, becasuse NORMAL obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think and learn to want to work and think and learn… SEE? That’s what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE. It just bothers me to imagine shocking my dog, even at a very low frequency. It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than thinking about what punishment and confrontation can do to a dog’s temperament. That’s what I tend to think based on my thirty eight years professional experience training dogs. I will definitely admit that there are many dogs who either can’t or won’t benefit from training without such things as e-collars. Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience specializing in temperament and behavior problems and protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that based on your TENDANCY to believe incompetent dog abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent results from HURTING dogs to train them because they TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog??? OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer? I just hope its a last-resort, not a first. And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to answer my questions in good conscience…That’s what they TEND to do around here because our lying dog abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS. Like yourself. That’s what I tend to think. Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~} The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) NC Boxer Rescue Abuse HOWEDY People Here’s WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again. "I’m shocked that I shocked" Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know *how* to use an e-collar….assuming I had one which must have been stolen at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not. — Tara HOWEDY tara o., You didn’t HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER your own DEAD DOG Summer: Labs are a breed that are normally trained for field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other forms of physical interaction without making them fearful or aggressive. I think its pertinent to mention that I’ve never had any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever "training" I did with them. I would not feel comfortable relying on my past experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting, snapping or growling. — Tara O.
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HOWEDY tara o. aka tee, You an tommy shouldn’t argue, it makes you both look like lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and active long term incurable mental cases on accHOWENT of you both hurt intimidate and MURDER dogs like your posted cases history of you hurting dogs and lying abHOWET it, below, will show:
message "No reason" huh? And how do you know that the dog’s
temperament is ‘less – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – than desirable’ versus downright wrong? I don’t see much difference between "less than desirable" and "downright wrong." I do. But more importantly, neither of us has any idea what *this* particular dog’s temperament actually is, so stop pretending that *you* do. I’m not pretending any more than you are. Many of these situations (e.g., gene-based problems) are *not* curable. But they certainly are MANAGEABLE, if the owner knows how to deal with them. And without resorting to drugs. Of course they’re managable, at least much of the time. Which is why I suggested seeking help both here and in my direct reply to her. Then why chew on me!!!??? Sheesh. *You* chewed on me and every one of my posts since then. Its very convenient of you to now turn it around on me. Why do you always have to get a pound of my flesh in the process, too? Aww, start a fight and cry that you are the one being abused. It’s really starting to piss me off, WTYAA. S’okay by me. Well since there are more than one base to cover it makes sense to address as many as I know how. You’re in no position to help this person (in the way that you seem to be trying to do) without exposing this dog and her owner to RISK. UNNECESSARY risk. Please explain to me what it is I’ve advised that would be risky. Because *my* reply couldn’t possibly have made matters worse! Your assumptions & tone don’t help people to take your advice. Now, how did my post have the potential to make matters worse? You’re trying to get into technique and methodology, with a complete stranger no less, without having a fucking clue as to what might actually be going on here! Again, I’m at a loss to understand what in my original post was risky or bad advice. I’m not pretending to anything. I happen to have experience with symptons like this dog has and addressed, as generically as possible, what I *know* to be prescribed methods. The dog that you eventually had to euthanize? Is every bit of advice you ever offer anyone regarding fearful dogs going to be based on your experience with that *one* dog? The dog I euthanized was my most extensive experience but there have been foster dogs as well. What exactly is competent? You should ask that about behaviorists, too. But you didn’t. Because *you* specified and applied the adjective, not me. be able to see if this person was doing certain "things" that might be contributing to this dog’s behavior, etc. And if they couldn’t spot anything, or what they spotted wasn’t the problem, then what? The same could be said of a behaviorist! You’re going in circles.
Oh? You mean, like THIS?: "Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method"? HOWEDY People, Hello Tara, m… I tend to agree with the positive reinforcement method. Oh, that’s nice. I tend to think people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be pulling our chains… That’s what I tend to think, based on my experience working with people who tend to agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to violence because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS… I TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that’s what I TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST, IMO, shock collars should be used only after normal obedience training methods have failed. If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well trained dogs. But that’s not the case, becasuse NORMAL obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think and learn to want to work and think and learn… SEE? That’s what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE. It just bothers me to imagine shocking my dog, even at a very low frequency. It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than thinking about what punishment and confrontation can do to a dog’s temperament. That’s what I tend to think based on my thirty eight years professional experience training dogs. I will definitely admit that there are many dogs who either can’t or won’t benefit from training without such things as e-collars. Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience specializing in temperament and behavior problems and protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that based on your TENDANCY to believe incompetent dog abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent results from HURTING dogs to train them because they TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog??? OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer? I just hope its a last-resort, not a first. And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to answer my questions in good conscience…That’s what they TEND to do around here because our lying dog abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS. Like yourself. That’s what I tend to think. Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~} The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) NC Boxer Rescue Abuse HOWEDY People Here’s WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again. "I’m shocked that I shocked" Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know *how* to use an e-collar….assuming I had one which must have been stolen at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not. — Tara HOWEDY tara o., You didn’t HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER your own DEAD DOG Summer: Labs are a breed that are normally trained for field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other forms of physical interaction without making them fearful or aggressive. I think its pertinent to mention that I’ve never had any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever "training" I did with them. I would not feel comfortable relying on my past experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting, snapping or growling. — Tara O. I cant seem to understand why people believe prong collars are cruel and inhumane. They do nothing more than pinch, getting the attention of the animal. Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent damage. They bruise the esophagus. Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings, much
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HOWEDY pam,
Yes, continual exposure to desensitize her to it.
That’s idiocy. You got to learn HOWE to pupperly handle your dog pryor to setting her up for addressing a behavior problem. But under controlled conditions.
Yeah. It would HEELP if the dog wasn’t AFRAID of getting CHOKED someMOORE. You can’t just keep surprising her with screaming sledders,
Well you COULD if you knew HOWE to make her FEEL SAFE an S-HOWEND. you’re going to worsen that fear –
Only if you don’t know HOWE to REASSURE the dog. epecially since it’s happening in different places, which will generalize it.
The dog has been AFRAID since DAY WON. I agree.
Your trainin CAUSED her fears. The first incident was a total surprise,
Every time. but the next night, I knew the kids were there so I kept as far away from them as possible,
That’s HOWE COME she’s AFRAID. but close enough so that she could still see and hear them.
You should have gone right bye them or joined them. The incident that worried me the most, was the night she heard them while she was in the house. I have no control over the kids outside.
Don’t NEED CON-TROLL. IN FACT, THAT’S HOWE COME your dog is AFRAID, on accHOWENT OF YOU ARE IN CON-TROLL. Your dog don’t TRUST you. The only control I had (environment wise) in that situation was to close the windows.
You could EXXXTINGUISH her FEAR by PRAISING HER. But you WON’T DO THAT on accHOWENT of YOUR BEHAVIORIST TOLD YOU that would REINFORCE HER FEARS. But WE KNOW THAT’S FALSE based on C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORYS to the CONtrary. First of all, exactly what is it that sets her off?
EVERY THING. Is it the screaming or the toboggan or the sound of the toboggan, or the whole package?
That’s IRRELEVENT. (For example, does she always react to the sound of children playing, or is it just specifically when they’re on a toboggan?)
Like when leah’s dog WENT NUTS over the garbage truck. NUTHIN she did WORKED. I believe it’s the whole package.
That’s IDIOCY. The only thing you gotta deal with is her TRUST and the dog won’t BE AFRAID noMOORE. She’s used to seeing and hearing children playing although she’s not completely comfortable with it (to the point where she would want to join in the fun). She would just walk by with me without any need to hurry to get past. We have a trailer at a campground and in the summer there are always kids running around. At the beginning of the season she was very nervous, but by the end of the season she was able to lay on the lawn and watch them ride by on their bikes or run around playing without displaying any adverse reaction on her part.
AMAZING. What was different between the first incident and the second? How do you react when she gets frightened? How quickly does she get over it?
You could EXXXTINGUISH her FEARS in WON DAY if you knew HOWE. But you don’t on accHOWENT of you don’t WANT to BE NICE to your dog and not punish IT when necessary. The first incident was a total surprise to both of us.
That so? I’d heard the kids playing, but I had no idea as to how close they actually were. As it turned out a couple of the kids were zooming past the exit of the path we were on just as we were coming out. The second incident I was aware that they were there and took steps to make sure that we didn’t get too close (more within her comfort zone).
IOW, you CATERED to her FEARS. The first incident caused her to be not her usual self for about a half an hour after we got home and she had no interest in playing any more. She just wanted to go directly back to the car.
Again, CATERING to her FEARS. The second incident wasn’t nearly as reactive. She was able to relax enough to want to play again within about 5 minutes.
But not near the kids. As to how I react, I ignore her fear
RIGHT. THAT’S HOWE COME SHE PAINICKS. and when I see that she’s nervous in any way, I give her a command.
Which INCREASES anxiHOWESNESS on accHOWENT of HOWE you TRAINED her to her "commands" by EITHER bribing or choking which causes the dog to become anxiHOWES when asked to do a behavior he’s been trained to in a heightened state of anxiHOWESNESS. When she complies,
You mean AFTER she’s DONE what you asked, when she’s NO LONGER THINKING of THAT behavior. You’re praising her NEXT THOUGHT, which is PROBABLY her FEAR. NO WONDER YOUR DOG IS AFRAID. I shower her with praise for doing as she was asked.
AFTER THE FACT. Sometimes, not always, when someone is walking behind us she gets a bit nervous so I’ll go off to the side of the sidewalk, get her to sit and stay while the person walks by.
AGAIN, CATERING TO HER FEARS. While they are walking by I’ll be telling her what a good girl she is.
IF YOU TOLD HER THAT FIRST SHE WOULDN’T BE AFRAID. She is much more comfortable watching them walk by than having them behind us.
RIGHT. Which is HOWE COME you got to teach her to RELAX with folks walkin behind. Unfortunately, the most important thing is that she is not "surprised" by an incident before she’s ready for it.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Like when that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie of leah’s RECENTLY MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG in the park "when his PRAY DRIVE SUDDENLY KICKED IN". I try to control her enviroment as much as I can,
YEAH. THAT’S HOWE COME DOGS FEAR THINGS YOU CANNOT CON-TROLL. Like THUNDER or KIDS or MOVEMENT in the car. but sometimes there are surprises.
Life’s FULL of SURPRISES. Like The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) Example:
FOR EXXXAMPLE. we were walking along a harbour front where everything was peaceful and serene. All of a sudden a tug boat tooted it’s horn.
IF YOU PRAISED HER SHE’D BE FINE. Lexi was extremely startled by this.
SO YOU IGNORED HER. I had no control over the situation and had no warning that it was going to happen.
Like thunder. Or kids. As a general rule, she isn’t startled by loud noises so I was kind of surprised by her reaction although it was a piercing loud burst.
Perhaps you’ve desensitized her to LHOWED noises? Perhaps you can wait on her walks until after dark, when the kids are in bed?
That’s SHEER GENIUS. AIN’T IT. As a matter of fact, all incidents occured after dark.
BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! leah always had to be in by sunset. I was thinking that maybe this may be a factor in her being more fearful although up to that point she seemed quite comfortable outside at night.
Yeah. Being MOORE alert at night is NORMAL. BEING AFRAID OF EVERY THING AIN’T. And THAT’S CAUSED BY MISHANDLING or you WOULDN’T BE MAKIN SO MUCH PROGRESS with your UNIVERSITY BEHAVIORIST. REMEMBER? I hope I’m not being a pest,(I have at least one question a week) but I’ve never owned a lab before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd has severe problems. This newsgroup made me realize she is normal. Her major problem is biting but I’m told labs and shepherds are both bad for that as puppies. Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took my arm and wouldn’t let go. I had to hang up as my arm still has puncture wounds. Has anyone had this problem? I think she gets upset that all my attention is not on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much) She also bites when she needs to go outside. Any suggestions? BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! Monday, December 06, 2004 10:15 PM
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Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer Emotional Influences On Behavior Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966). A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health. Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966) 150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966). A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation
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HOWEDY tara o. aka tee, You MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer FOR THE SAME REASON. REMEMBER? Takin advice from you would be INSANE. WOULDN’T IT. "I’m Shocked That I Shocked" tara o. aka tee, NC Boxer Rescue HOWEDY People Here’s WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again. "I’m shocked that I shocked"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know *how* to use an e-collar….assuming I had one which must have been stolen at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not. — Tara
HOWEDY tara o., You didn’t hurt and kill Summer. Labs are a breed that are normally trained for field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other forms of physical interaction without making them fearful or aggressive.
I think its pertinent to mention that I’ve never had any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever "training" I did with them. I would not feel comfortable relying on my past experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting, snapping or growling. — Tara O.
I cant seem to understand why people believe prong collars are cruel and inhumane. They do nothing more than pinch, getting the attention of the animal. Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent damage. They bruise the esophagus. Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings, much the same as electric fencing. Get it straight people.
Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms that can quickly cause infestation here lol — Tara O. People are tired of being abused and insulted simply for saying they use a prong collar, or a choke collar, or an e-collar, or a crate, etc. If you want to LEARN more about dog training and dog behavior, then listen to what they have to say, too.
"I’ve never not listened to what people say here. I use a crate, am about to begin with a choke collar, I’m not the bad guy here." tara o. ""Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together"" wrote BTW, this is one of the frequent topics on obedience email lists. When people say that they haven’t used corrections, it turns out that they feel that if they do it, it’s not a real correction.
That makes sense in a weird sort of way. I don’t honestly think that its humanly possible to train anyone or anything without correction. Its human nature to say ‘no’ or to stop a behavior by doing something. I used a tin can with coins to correct Summer’s bad puppy behaviors and the cold shoulder to correct her other less desirable behaviors. I have said ‘no’ so many times that I probably sound like a broken record. Amie can attest to that lol. It seems to me that some people are automatically equating the term correction with punishment. I guess they can go hand in hand since my tin can wasn’t something Summer liked. My ignoring her when she’s misbehaving is also something she doesn’t like. Therefore it can be viewed as punishment? And that term is 100% negative. Maybe if more people saw it as correction and not the total negative, they’d be less inclined to want to be PP. Don’t know if the way I wrote that made sense, it makes sense in my head but then again the men with the white coats could come a’knockin at any moment. Tara O. Yes I see and understand your point. There’s no such thing as 100% vigilence 100% of the time IMO. You could call an e-fence company to find out if its possible to wire only your front door so that if she gets within a certain range of that front door the collar will start working. I’d think there would be a way to work that and it may be inexpensive to do so. There are also items called Scat Mats that you place in front of doors or any area you don’t want your dog to proceed through. When stepping on the mat, it gives off a vibration, something which most dogs hate. They’ll stay far away from the mats. I believe you can buy them from — Tara you could consider installing an invisible fence just inside the fence line so he cannot get too close. You could talk to your neighbor about splitting the cost of whichever alternative you both find most acceptable. — Tara I know people who have electric fences and it works very well for them. I know people who have them and whose dogs escape and refuse to come back in. From the details I know of all involved, I wouldn’t use an e-fence on: 1. An adult dog that wasn’t raised with the fence from a puppy 2. A dog with a high prey drive 3. A very stubborn dog If I put my female out in an e-fence, the very first kid, cat, dog or squirrel she sees would have her bolting through the barrier shock or not. When she finally loses interest in whatever has caused her to leave and her adrenalin has diminished, she will think rationally and realize she’s not willing to come back into the yard because she knows the shock would get her. If you have a dog who just has to go after or up to any and everything that walks down the street then I’d definitely not recommend one of these systems. The people I know who it works for installed them when their dogs were pups so they were brought up trained to it. Two of the ones I know it didn’t work for have adult adopted dogs who weren’t raised with this kind of invisible barrier. Search Result 58 Since he got a taste of freedom and knows he can get out I doubt you’ll be able to stop him short of tethering him or using a more sophisticated device like an e-fence but I wouldn’t recommend going the electronic fence route without first doing your homework on the pros and cons of them and understand that they are not fool-proof. MacKenzie’s First Pinch Collar Class I consider myself to be a pretty good basic obed. trainer of Boxers with some learned but not necessarily practiced, advanced training knowledge. I think this because not only have I worked with all the dogs I’ve had at my house but I’m also the one in charge of all the dogs in our rescue, their behavioral issues (identifying and working with), basic training (done in the foster home) and a host of other things. I’m the one who gives the advice and walks the foster volunteers through alot of things. Now I don’t believe, for a second, that I would be successful at teaching basic obedience to other dogs in a class environment. Maybe I would but probably not. Other trainers with class experience may think I have no clue what I’m doing because my experience has been primarily hands-on and with only one breed.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also thought maybe someone may have had some experience with Clomicalm (thanks for the name…all I could remember was ‘calm’). You’re welcome. I didn’t mean to start world war 3 here, just get some fresh ideas as sometimes when you’re involved in a situation you may tend to overlook the obvious. Don’t worry about it. We have many world wars here but we get over them quickly enough and learn to play nicely again. — Tara
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HOWEDY pam,
Just so you know, my dog had a complete blood workup done several months ago to rule out anything medical that could be causing this fear (i.e. thyroid problems…).
BWEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You got it backwards, pam. Thyroid problems are CAUSED BY STRESS from FEARS. After that was ruled out she was brought to a behavioral specialist at a local university.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You wanna get your hard earned dough back? YOU CAN, you know. All you gotta do is FORGET EVERY THING them bums told you and study your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and DO ALL the EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED and in a couple days you’ll CURE your dog’s phobias. MAYBE FASTER if you haven’t been bribing your dog with food rewards to teach IT not to BE AFRAID. I spent several hours with her and was ultimatley given literature to read and exericses to preform, thus the noted improvement I mentioned in my first post.
BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! And, no, HJM, she’s never been comfortable around children because of the screaming, quick movements and unpredictability.
NO. She’s NEVER been COMFORTABLE arHOWEND children on accHOWENT of you mishandle her, not on accHOWENT of children are children. Having no small children myself,
A STROKE OF LUCK! exposure to them has been and continues to be limited, but she has had all the exposure to children that I could provide and had been improving up until Monday night.
BWEEEEAAAAHHHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I know not to comfort her when she displays fear,
THAT’S HOWE COME SHE’S AFRAID. but to ignore it,
THAT’S SHEER IDIOCY. give her a command to concentrate on
THAT’S HOWE COME YOU CAN’T CURE HER PHOBIAS. and praise lavishly for complying.
You mean AFTER the fact? I have been taking her to as many different types of places, and exposing her to as many different types of things as is in my power to do (noisy streets, constuction sites, parks, quiet places-so quiet that it is spooky) and everything had been going great.
That so? Every thing has been GOIN GREAT since DAY WON. This has been a year long process,
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! YOU’VE BEEN SWINDLED BY THE BEHAVIORIST. not something that just popped up.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORYS of ALL PHOBIAS being EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY. MAYBE FASTER, by simply NOT DOIN what you’ve been TAUGHT by your INCOMPTENT SWINDLING BEHAVIORIST. Lexi was afraid of the noise the wind made, leaves falling, her own shadow, when we first got her. As a pup, she would avoid people, not like most pups, running to snoop and play.
You’ve been followin the ADVICE of the EXXXPERTS. You’ve locked your dog in a box and ignored ITS cries and choked and bribed IT like HOWE you was TAUGHT. And you got your just desserts and your university behaviorist got your hard earned dough and you got LUGATZ. BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHHAAA!!! And NHOWE you got The Amazing Puppy Wizard GIVIN IT TO YOU BOTH WAYS! The Amazing Puppy Wizard will CITE YOU C-HOWENTLESS CASE HISTORY’S of FEAR AGGRESSIVE and SHY dogs and SEPARATION ANXIHOWESNESS CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET HURTIN noWON, and FOR FREE, to boot. Talk abHOWET addin INSULT to INJURY. Even The Amazing Puppy Wizard FEELS BAD for bein SO CRUEL. BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAA!!! I was more or less wondering if anyone had had any experience with a dog like this and what ‘they’ did.
NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard GOES "BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAAAA!!!" BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!! I also thought maybe someone may have had some experience with Clomicalm (thanks for the name…all I could remember was ‘calm’).
Yeah. The pharmacutical company sez it works 15% of the time when used in conjunction with behaivor modification…BWEEEEEEAAHAHAA!!! I didn’t mean to start world war 3 here,
NO PROBLEMO! YOUR CASE HISTORY IS The Amazing Puppy Wizar’s Manna. just get some fresh ideas as sometimes when you’re involved in a situation you may tend to overlook the obvious.
You mean like there’s NO SUCCESSFUL EXXXPERTS EXXXCEPT The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students. Your PALS call them LIARS and their posts FORGERIES. You can check EVERY WON of them for veracity. Your pals are in the same boat you are. GOOD LUCK. BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!! And, to quote: "How would this person know exactly how to behave around her fearful dog, yet need to come here pleading for help???"…
You’re QUOTING a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE. I wasn’t pleading for help, just "some thoughts" on the matter was all I was asking for.
You’re askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs. And you want MOORE of the same same? I know how to behave around my fearful dog,
No you don’t or your dog WOULDN’T BE AFRAID. WOULD HE. but I’m always open to any and all experiences
That so? But you REFUSE to study your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual on accHOWENT of it makes you FEEL like a dog abusing punk thug coward for what you’ve DONE to your dog. NOT TO WORRY, dog abuser. Only a MENTAL CASE would allHOWE THAT to prevent them from rehabilitating their fearful dog pryor to IT becoming aggressive and GETTIN DEAD like so many of the DOG LOVER’S DEAD DOGS you’re askin… like tara o. aka tee’s DEAD DOG Summer, FOR EXXXAMPLE. others may have had.
She MURDERED her own DEAD DOG Summer for the SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM YOU GOT! You can never know too much.
INDEED? Daylight Time Well, let me tell you, your Wits’ End Dog Training Method works. My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons around the barbecue on the patio. I used this system on four different occasions. When she went out today, she looked everywhere else but the barbecue. Amazing, just amazing. I will write to Amanda about the video. I am really excited to learn more, and understand. Maybe just a little reassurance that I am going about it the right way. Thanks again Paul .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tracy, What worked for me, in just one storm, was to praise the dog after each clap of thunder, telling him he’s a Good Dog! This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW. The next time it thundered, he did not even react at all–you could not tell it was the same dog as before. There was more thunder just the other day, and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all, it was that simple. I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non- abusive way of handling dogs WORKS. Wonderfully. Praise. It’s that simple. Juanita
"Just Want To Second Jerry’s Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I’ve Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It’s Worked ‘EVERY TIME The Very First Time’ – marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku Aloha Sunny, Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will be a very well behaved dog in a few days. I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes as they will conflict with the Wit’s End principles. I went the training route first, and still had problems until I found Wits’ End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs. You won’t be dissapointed if you follow the program. Good luck, Hoku Jerry believes he’s a dog trainer. Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too. I took a rescued three year old beagle that had been kept outside all of its life that didn’t even recognize or respond to its name to Jerry’s home (That ugly cinder block shack??? get real) and in just over one hour of working with the dog, he was coming on command (not a quickly as he does now, but still…) and walking with us on a loose lead. His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called" command and pack exercise WORK! and in all likelihood he’s never even been near a dog. Well, he’s been near mine, and done wonders for him. You don’t have to like him. You don’t have to agree with his methods, but as far as I am concerned, I’ve never seen any other training approach that was as fast and easy. <<<< Rest of original post deleted Ron Flanagan Orlando, Florida Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe. Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com You can start by downloading the free training manual available on the site above. I used it on my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro. When I first brought him
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HOWEDY leah, Your IDIOCY didn’t work for your own dog’s FEAR of the GARBAGE MONSTER. REMEMBER? BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When Lexi saw them coming down the hill (screaming and yelling, of course), she just about had a heart attack. <snip again, but unfortunately we ran into some again. Her reaction was similar, but I thought not quite as reactive, and she was able to regain her composure enough to sniff around and even play fetch again before we went home. At this point, I was thinking that continual exposure would make this no big deal after awhile. Yes, continual exposure to desensitize her to it. But under controlled conditions. You can’t just keep surprising her with screaming sledders, or you’re going to worsen that fear – especially since it’s
happening in different – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – places, which will generalize it. First of all, exactly what is it that sets her off? Is it the screaming or the toboggan or the sound of the toboggan, or the whole package? (For example, does she always react to the sound of children playing, or is it just specifically when they’re on a toboggan?) What was different between the first incident and the second? How do you react when she gets frightened? How quickly does she get over it? Basically, I would take these steps: 1. Expose her to the object of fear at a SAFE distance away – i.e., a distance at which she has no fear reaction. 2. Open Bar – Every time the object is in her view or hearing, you’re rapid-firing with praise, treats, play, all three if they float her boat. When the object is gone, you stop. 3. As long as she’s showing no fear: Next session, start at original spot. After a few minutes, move a bit closer. 4. If at any point she begins to sho wfear,movebackwards. 5. Keep sessions short – i.e., 5 minutes. Unfortunately, the most important thing is that she is not "surprised" by an incident before she’s ready for it. Perhaps you can wait on her walks until after dark, when the kids are in bed? I’ve also heard that GSD’s go through a fear period around the 12 month mark and she’s now almost 14 months, so maybe this is part of it. Some people will tell you there are no fear periods. All I can say is that I’ve seen too many adolescent GSDs who develop quirky little phobias to discount it entirely. :} But it still won’t go way on its own. — Family Dog Trainer "It’s A Dog’s Life" http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/myhomepage/index.html Get Healthy, Build Your Immune System, Lose Weight http://www.re-vita.net/dfrntdrums
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You’re a MENTAL CASE. YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer for THE SAME PROBLEM. REMEMBER?
From what you’ve written you’ve been doing everything right. The number one prescribed medication for a fearful dog is repeated
socialization attempts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being happy, ignoring perceived threats, acting like you & the dog are the only two people in the world is the most effective way to attempt to head off anxiety attacks. Reading your dog’s body language, trying to intervene before she goes into panic mode, and letting her decide what her limits are will go along ways with many dogs. If your dog is treat-oriented then carrying treats around with you can also help. If someone asks to pet her and you think she’d be willing to allow it, have the person offer her a treat first. If you see her becoming panicked try to distract her with a little training exercise where you give command(s) she knows and treat her for obeying. Having said all of that, there are some dogs that just don’t respond to these methods. The fact that your pup was like this when you brought her home is a very big indicator that she has a faulty temperament. Pups like this are either rehabilitated with the methods described above and employing alot of patience and repeated, consistent attempts, or they’re not. The ones who aren’t, IMO, should be allowed to remain like they are, with understanding owners, and no longer be continually exposed to frightening things. A behaviorist can help you more than a trainer if you are willing to seek professional help for her. There are also medications available to help short-circuit panic attacks. Some medications are stronger than others. Several of the more common ones will not change her energy level, focus or anything else noticable. If going out in public is important to you and you think she would miss going on her walks then talk with your vet about a medication called Clomicalm and then seek a behaviorist. In the meantime, take your cues from your dog. Be especially vigilant when she is around children. She may be a total marshmallow who ‘wouldn’t hurt a fly’ but fearfulness and anxiety can and will trigger dog bites. If she feels cornered or harrassed, especially when she’s already in a panic state, don’t allow anyone but yourself & someone you know she trusts to go near her. — Tara
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THAT’S INSANE. YOU MURDERED YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer FOR THE SAME REASON.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message It’s just a hunch, but this really isn’t the first time your dog has acted spooky around kids (especially loud ones), is it? She admitted the dog had been like this since she acquired him at 7 weeks of age. IMO, you need professional help. You admit that your dog has always been a "nervous beast," and she’s probably never going to get any better if YOU continue to do the same old things. And things may even get a lot worse. IMO, there’s probably something that YOU are doing here, i.e., some way that YOU are reacting, behaving, etc., that’s contributing to your dog’s skittishness and fear. Not necessarily. When a dog starts out fearful as a pup, and continued attempts at socialization don’t significantly remedy the problem, its not at all likely that the owner is doing something wrong. Rather its very likely the dog’s temperament is at fault. Yes, there are ways to desensitize a dog to situations like you’re describing, but it’s also very easy to make matters worse (which is what you are probably doing already), too, if you don’t do them correctly. Yes and sometimes forced socialization with no results will make matters worse. There are some dogs in this world that should be given the freedom to not go around people or places with loud noises. If the dog proves to be unresponsive to exposure of such things then IMO its more kind to just allow the dog to be a hermit. Not doing so continues to place the dog in situations where it becomes overly anxious. Get some help, Pam. And keep your dog out of the park and away from rowdy, noisy kids in the interim. Otherwise it’ll be that much harder for you to eventually deal with the situation effectively. By help I’d like to clarify that most trainers aren’t what’s needed here. Rather a behaviorist would be more effective. — Tara
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HOWEDY pam,
My dog Lexi has had a problem of being a nervous beast ever since we brought her home at seven weeks.
Yeah. And you’ve been postin here abHOWETS since the git go and you got your just desserts. We’ve been working through it
That so? Your dog is INSANE on accHOWENT of you ABUSED HER, pam. You’re a dog abusing mental case, just like the rest of your pals here. and have been doing fairly well,
That so? until recently.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! We had her out for her evening walk Monday night at a local park. We were leaving a trail and entering into a field where some kids were tobogganing. When Lexi saw them coming down the hill (screaming and yelling, of course), she just about had a heart attack.
Well, you PRAISED HER, no DHOWET. She ran for her life.
And you told her it was O.K. and PRAISED HER AGAIN. She didn’t seem to relax and return to herself until after we were home for about a half an hour.
Right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tuesday night, we went to the same park, but a different location so as not to have her surprised by tobogganers again, but unfortunately we ran into some again. Her reaction was similar, but I t hought not quite as reactive, and she was able to regain her composure enough to sniff around and even play fetch again before we went home. At this point, I was thinking that continual exposure would make this no big deal after awhile. But….Wednesday night we had an uneventful walk and it wasn’t until we were home and Lexi had gone to bed that the problem came up again.
Ooops! Looks like Lexi got herself a OCD. I always leave the window open in the spare bedroom (Lexi’s room). Well, I guess a few kids in the neighborhood decided to slide down the snow banks across the street and Lexi heard their yells and screams. She bolted out of the bedroom and paced around the house like a caged animal.
Of curse, you could EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple minutes using effective non physical PRAISE and brief variably alternating distractions and PROLONGED SINCERE EXXXUBERANT NON PHYSICAL PRAISE. But you won’t DO that on accHOWENT of you don’t LIKE not forcing CON-TROLL, which is HOWE COME your dog is AFRAID OF EVERY THING since you bought IT from a ETHICKAL BREEDER. I tried to get her to go outside so she could see what was making the noise, but she wouldn’t go out
THAT’S on accHOWENT of your dog don’t TRUST you. (and this is a dog that is "always" wanting to be outside!)
UNLESS she’s AFRAID. I closed all the windows to keep some of the noise out and after 10 or 15 minutes of this pacing, she finally settled in the corner of the dining room in behind the table and chairs (the furtherest point in the house away from the noise). When I saw that the kids had gone inside, I made Lexi go outside with me and we went over to where they had been playing so she could sniff the area. When we got back in the house, she finally relaxed enough to go back into ‘her’ bedroom.
Ahhhh, her HIDING PLACE. THAT will REINFORCE her PHOBIAS. Last night I had her out again, just walking around the neighborhood, and of course we ran into a couple of kids sliding in the snow.
IMAGINE? She reacted with extreme fear again
On accHOWENT of she DON’T TRUST YOU. (her breathing even seemed different), but after about 5 minutes our walk returned to normal (sniffing and being nosey instead of pulling and trying to get the heck outta here!).
IOW, you was CHOKIN her someMOORE. With Christmas vacation coming up, I know there are going to be kids out in the snow every day. I don’t want to keep Lexi away from the park for 2 weeks, besides last night proved that just walking around home can be dangerous (in her mind).
Yeah. She’d be much better off in a shelter. The worst part is I don’t want her to be afraid in our home.
RIGHT. That’s HOWE COME you take her HOWET for a choke. This was always the one place she showed no signs of being afraid and now she’s lost that after Wednesday night.
That so? Does anyone have any ideas about this.
Yeah. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. She gets so agitated that she won’t even listen to her commands,
Yeah. Perhaps THAT’S HOWE COME she’s AFRAID? which I rely on in other ’scary situations’.
IOW, you REPRESS HER FEARS and THAT’S HOWE COME SHE DON’T TRUST YOU. I’ve been giving some thought to asking the vet for a medication (****something***calm) to help her get through the toboggan season, but I don’t know.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! Your vet AIN’T GOT a CURE for FEAR of his abuser. I’ve also heard that GSD’s go through a fear period around the 12 month mark and she’s now almost 14 months, so maybe this is part of it.
BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! YOUR MENTALLY ILL PROFESSIONA DOG ABUSERS WILL SAY AND DO ANY THING TO DEFEND THEIR ALLEGED RIGHT TO HURT INTIMIDATE AND MURDER DOGS. I’m lost.
You’re in EXXXCELLENT company. Any thoughts????
"BIRDS OF A FEATHER." HOWEDY Pam,
I’ve been working on a fear aggression issue
All aggression is fear. All fear is caused by mishandling. That means we can CURE fear behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY by using EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL CONDITIONING, PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE and PRAISE IN ADVANCE. with my 1-year-old German shepherd dog (Lexi)
A dog is a dog. for quite some time now.
You can CURE your dog’s FEAR AGGRESION NEARLY INSTANTLY if you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual PRECISELY and ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. I’ve been doing real well with her after ruling out all medical reasons
You wasted your time effort and money at the vets. and then seeing an animal behavioral specialist.
If you’d like to sue her and get your hard earned dough back The Amazing Puppy Wizard will assist you. Following her instructions of putting Lexi on the NILIF
program, That’s SHEER IDIOCY. desensitizing and redirection
That’s SHEER IDIOCY. You CANNOT "REDIRECT" a FEAR behavior UNLESS you got sumpthin MOORE FEARFUL to REDIRECT the dog to. she
I’m a physical mess! 
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